Doesn't your reason tell you that the two acts must be morally identical? — Bartricks
Again: imagine two acts that are identical in every way apart from spatially and or temporally. Not hard. — Bartricks
I mean, if I ask you to imagine a car identical to yours in every way apart from it is in another location, would you find that difficult? Would you say "er, but then it is not the same car" - yes, I know. Not the same car. But similar in every way - apart from it is over there. — Bartricks
Imagine two acts - two, not one, two - that are identical in every non-moral way apart from spatially or temporally. — Bartricks
No, they have the same intent. Again: imagine two acts that are identical in every way apart from spatially and or temporally. Not hard.
I mean, if I ask you to imagine a car identical to yours in every way apart from it is in another location, would you find that difficult? Would you say "er, but then it is not the same car" - yes, I know. Not the same car. But similar in every way - apart from it is over there.
Am I in a primary school? Are you 5? Imagine two acts - two, not one, two - that are identical in every non-moral way apart from spatially or temporally. Will they be morally identical as well? So, if act A is wrong, does act B have to be too. — Bartricks
Imagine that Tim smacks Susan in the face for a laugh. That act is wrong, right? — Bartricks
Two acts - A and B. They are the same in every non-moral respect. So, same intentions, same consequences, same everything. Twin acts, as it were. If one is wrong, mustn't the other one be too? — Bartricks
Two acts - A and B. They are the same in every non-moral respect. — Bartricks
So two acts must be spatially and/or temporally identical in order to be morally identical?when I stipulate that the two acts are identical in all respects apart from spatially and/or temporally I am not stipulating that they are morally identical. — Bartricks
In order to claim that two acts are not morally identical, even though they are the same in terms of their intentions and consequences, one must presuppose that intentions and consequences are non-moral respects--as I said before.They are the same in terms of their intentions and consequences. — Bartricks
Because you say so? According to your own rules, you need to provide a valid syllogism with this as its conclusion and premisses that are confirmed by rational intuitions.Two acts that are non-morally identical will be morally identical too. — Bartricks
must they have the same morality?
Virtually everyone - I mean, virtually everyone - gets the rational intuition that they do — Bartricks
Now, imagine two actions. These two actions have the same consequences (they both result in an innocent person's death, say). They are both performed with the same intentions. Now, do they both have to have the same morality? That is, if one is wrong, must the other be wrong too? — Bartricks
Now, given that they are identical in terms of their intentions and consequences, must they have the same morality? — Bartricks
Virtually everyone - I mean, virtually everyone - gets the rational intuition that they do. — Bartricks
But we can't do that in terms of moral properties. We do not seem able coherently to say that two acts can be identical in every way apart from that one was right and the other wrong. — Bartricks
So, if act A is right and act B is wrong, then either act A was performed with a different intention or it had different consequences - and that explains why it is right whereas B is wrong. — Bartricks
Omg, this is just too painful. No, there can't be 'other factors'. The whole point is that the two acts are identical in every way apart from that one is right and the other wrong. — Bartricks
So two meals can't be identical? It is called qualitative identity rather than quantitative identity. — Bartricks
You have the internet. Do some research — Bartricks
Citation please. — Bartricks
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