 schopenhauer1
schopenhauer1         
          Isaac
Isaac         
         First off, we'd have to distinguish what makes a preference natural. One might argue three ways here: — schopenhauer1
 Terrapin Station
Terrapin Station         
          schopenhauer1
schopenhauer1         
         A preference is 'natural' if it is one displayed by the species acting in a typical manner. All your other definitions are some form of 'necessary' which is not the same as 'natural'. — Isaac
 schopenhauer1
schopenhauer1         
         The terms are not ideal, but the best way to make sense out of this distinction is that "natural" preferences are not about cultural artifacts. They're rooted purely in biological facts, in genetics, and they're preferences that members of a species tend to have--they're very common in that species. — Terrapin Station
 Possibility
Possibility         
          schopenhauer1
schopenhauer1         
         I continually find it fascinating that we refer to ‘natural’ or ‘instinctual’ preferences for our species, one of whose most distinctive characteristics is our individual capacity to completely restructure preferences... — Possibility
 Congau
Congau         
          schopenhauer1
schopenhauer1         
         I don’t see why animal survival instincts should be considered more strongly natural, unless we are restricted to the realm of biology. The philosophical notion of “natural” would probably include all psychology, but I think you are right in excluding contingent social norms. — Congau
 schopenhauer1
schopenhauer1         
         Love and greed and charity and art appreciation etc. are needs that last entered the specimens' needs in the evolution of the species. The lack of their fulfilment is not felt; their fulfilment brings joy; they don't kill you if you never experience them. — god must be atheist
 Congau
Congau         
          Deleted User
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          Deleted User
Deleted User         
         I don't consider procreation one of these: there are no dire (personal effects) of not having a kid.
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          Possibility
Possibility         
         Yes this is very much a key part of my point. Even something as "natural-seeming" as procreation may be just culturally-derived but individually chosen preferences. — schopenhauer1
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