Can anyone even conceive a theoretical model where such thing, an event that's caused by something other than a past event or randomness, is possible? — philsterr
Yes, my worldview is grounded on the notion of Eternal BEING : the power to exist. All other concepts assume that " existence precedes essence ". No being, no properties. In the chain of causation, the "buck" stops at existence. You can call that ultimate origin point God or G*D or BEING. But, once existence is established, all other causes flow from the First Cause : Eternal Existence. Whether there can be loops in eternity is debatable. :smile:existence is an unstoppable eternal loop — OmniscientNihilist
- yup! Agree with this.stop trying to do mental gymnastics to save free-will, and just throw it out.
throwing out free-will simply removes blame, not responsibility, because responsibility is still within causation.
any and all starting points are illusions caused by ignorance of previous causes. including free-will and creationism.
existence is an unstoppable eternal loop
Eternal Existence — Gnomon
throwing out free-will simply removes blame — OmniscientNihilist
existence is an unstoppable eternal loop — OmniscientNihilist
How do we know what free will is if we have never had it? — Gregory
A sin is a sin even if someone is predetermined to do it. Why couldn't we blame them in that case. — philsterr
If there is no true randomness, that'd break our current models of physics — philsterr
So, I cannot define what free will exactly is, — philsterr
If every event in the universe is caused either by past events OR by chance, we can only 'observe' both things that happen around us AND our own -or our brain's computing architecture's- reactions to them.
There is no room for choice or 'free will'.
We are not aware of any physical phenomenon that could give space to a different form of causation.
Can anyone even conceive a theoretical model where such thing, an event that's caused by something other than a past event or randomness, is possible? — philsterr
dont worry about what physics says when it comes to metaphysics. — OmniscientNihilist
When you take an umbrella as you leave the house, are the causal conditions of that event entirely in the past — Possibility
ree will is not creation out of nothing. Once a brain is formed, that ontology IS free will. The brain doesn't emit freedom. It is freedom, it is free — Gregory
Where does the world come from in solipsism if nothing comes from nothing — Gregory
Please limit this discussion to the observable — philsterr
Nothing but BEING : the power and potential for existence. In BEING, all things are possible.No input; no cause; no information; nothing specific; nothing more; everything possible; many worlds; multiverse; the tenth dimension; the Library of Babel; no meaning; no opposite; no alternative. — PoeticUniverse
all things are possible — Gnomon
Not necessarily. Hence the information content is One. :smile:And all possible things happen — PoeticUniverse
Not necessarily. Hence the information content is One. :smile: — Gnomon
When you take an umbrella as you leave the house, are the causal conditions of that event entirely in the past
— Possibility
As far as we know, yes. Your mind makes a prediction about the future based on past events and experiences. E.g. if you see the sky is blue you're a lot less likely to pack an umbrella. If you overheard some weather report you're likely to take it into account, even if you're not realizing it. But you may also be able to predict the weather based on physical phenomenons your unconscious mind understands, that we haven't yet been able to formalize. How bad getting caught in the rain would bother you will also play a role. — philsterr
Aristotle "to maintain that being and non-being are identical, is to admit permanent repose rather than perpetual motion. — Gregory
Hegel “Contradiction is the root of all movement and all vitality: it is only in so far as something has a contradiction within it that it moves, has an urge and activity.”
Schelling “Contradiction alone brings life even into the first necessary nature, which we have considered merely conceptually until now.” — Gregory
Lenin wanted his scientists to find the material contradiction through which matter moves, and disprove Aristotle. — Gregory
The paradox of zero temperature might be the secret to perpetual motion — Gregory
There is no room for choice or 'free will'. — philsterr
If free will does not exist, then an individual is not responsible for what he does. — alcontali
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