You aren't, though. Your argument has the usual inconsistency and incompleteness - the same fault that others have pointed out many times.
Try setting out what you are thinking in a clear fashion. — Banno
Answer the question in bold.The fetus has a brain with synapses and can feel, hear, smell and taste by the end of the second trimester. You didn't seem to address my actual question either. When does someone start the "becoming" of being "dignified"? What is sentience, and how do we know that you have it? You often insult others that don't think the way you do and therefore don't treat others in a "dignified" manner. Why shouldn't you be aborted? You say sentience is a requirement, yet the second-trimester fetus has sentience.
I don't see a problem in the day-after pill, or having an abortion within your first trimester, but to wait until sentience develops would immoral, according to your own statements, and I would agree. — Harry Hindu
What is sentience, and how do we know that you have it? — Harry Hindu
sentient | ˈsɛntɪənt, ˈsɛnʃ(ə)nt |
adjective
able to perceive or feel things: she had been instructed from birth in the equality of all sentient life forms.
as the fetus is being carried by her, — Gus Lamarch
it's not categorized as murder. — Gus Lamarch
What's potential, exactly? — Echarmion
If you think it’s wrong to murder people because you think they are valuable in themselves, it would also be wrong to kill potential people. — Congau
the food in your refrigerator is a potential human. A pile of un-decomposed trash is. — frank
According to you post, if being disingenuous is demanding a firm date and you say that we both agree on a firm date, then we're both being disingenuous. Do you ever check your posts for consistency before posting them?But you knew that.
And your pretence that I have not answered your question is not endearing. I have pointed out that sentience develops somewhere between the conception and birth; and that those who demand a firm date for its development are acting disingenuously.
Further, Harry, it seems that you and I agree that abortion is acceptable up until at least the end of the first trimester.
So are you just being contrary? — Banno
How did that happen? .. Did it result from the choice of the fetus, or the mother? — Serving Zion
Perception of ownership (by a murderer or a law maker) does not negate the validity of a moral complaint by the one who was murdered. — Serving Zion
the fetus is "assaulting" the will of the female individual — Gus Lamarch
It resulted by the individual choice of the female, and only by her choice. — Gus Lamarch
...that a fetus does not assault the mother by being present because the mother's actions caused it to be formed? — Serving Zion
Something is valuable when it has the potential of being appreciated. — Congau
Is it the lack of perceptive of reality and consciousness of the premature state of lifeform that makes it more bearable to perform an abortion for the carrier? Because the only thing that separates the premature life form from a fully developed one, is the passing of time. — EpicTyrant
Could you then please explain to me what's the difference between murder and abortion since both equal the same outcome: to end a life? — EpicTyrant
If you did read my text then you'd understand that life within different stages is still life. According to your logic it would be equally right to kill a newborn child as to an abortion state fetus as they both haven't really developed into full consciousness. — EpicTyrant
Well i am ok with your logic without taking time into the equation. If you take time into the equation that clump of cells is equal to a conscious human, since we're all a part of it. Life is just a process that begins and ends and all processes are dependent on time. It is not entirely certain that the child will become mentally scarred, and even if it do, there are many records of people rising above and obtaining some kind of quality of life. To exist, even in great measures of pain is better than to not exist at all, but that is entirely subjective and my personal opinion.
It's not possible to apply an animal into this debate since it's been necessary for our survival to consume, just the law of nature. — EpicTyrant
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