Yes. Why avoid causing suffering? — Isaac
My feeling with all these antinatalist arguments is that they're putting the cart before the horse. They name some ethical principle which (unless you're religious) can only have been derived from some aspect of human nature. Then they use this one ethic to suggest we should ignore a whole series of other aspects of human nature (the desire to procreate, a feeling of belonging, a sense of community etc).
I just want to know - why pick that one. — Isaac
The first principles to do no harm and to not force others would be respecting the individual as an autonomous being that might have choices (like not wanting to be forced or harmed). — schopenhauer1
it is individuals where ethics is ultimately realized — schopenhauer1
I still don't understand where you're going with this. If all you have are some unsupported first principles which (on the face of it) are quite odd, and so unlikely to be shared, then what purpose could possibly be served by stating them?
You can't realistically hope to convince others to hold them too - after all, you can forward no rational argument for having them in the first place. You can't expect anyone to be drawn by the consequences - the extinction of the human race. So what is it that compels you to keep writing this stuff? — Isaac
And then, yes, there can be no evidence that this Value X is the most important, or even more extreme, outweighs any other value. — Coben
... by picking out elements that you disagree with and seeing what it is that you would disagree about that and then seeing if at the end you really disagree with it, or you disagree with some of its consequences. If you do disagree with it, then it can be shown that what you disagree with has implications that you may also not like and maybe reconsider the original. — schopenhauer1
... then any foundational belief which ends with "... and so we ought to wipe out the human race" is as good a candidate as any I can think of for revision. — Isaac
t is futile to keep on creating more children. They will all die — Andrew4Handel
That would depend on what you are doing it for.It is futile to keep on creating more children. — Andrew4Handel
That makes every act, including your posting, futile and superfluous.They will all die and our species will probably go extinct in the long term. — Andrew4Handel
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