First of all, likely "the Brexiteers" aren't so far right as you imply. That's your first error. Shouldn't believe the portrayal of those who oppose them. Just as I don't believe that leftists are dominated by 'Cultural Marxists — ssu
Boris can and probably will swing back to the center now and stuff the far right Brexiteers he no longer needs with a softer trade deal etc.
I guess they chose Brussels over their own country. What a shame.
The big question for us namby-pamby socialists is, 'why do turkeys vote for Christmas?' — unenlightened
I disagree. Show me some evidence..
Yet there are liberal rich. Are they suicidal or principled? Can't the same hold true for working class conservatives? — Hanover
Not at all, I acknowledge that you are looking on from afar. But for Scotland, it would give them autonomy, to be free of a Westminster with overbearing control, little accountability and little concern for the plight of the Scott's. They would join the EU as an independent country cooperating with 27 partner countries.
This is not something they wished to do, but rather is a remedy to a chaotic destructive Westminster.
Yet there are liberal rich. Are they suicidal or principled? Can't the same hold true for working class conservatives? — Hanover
What are the 'far right Brexiteers'? How many 'far right Brexiteers' are there? I presume it is something similar as the number far left Stalinists in the Labour party. Or perhaps it's the 856 members of the Communist Party of Britain that is the far left in the UK.Your error is misinterpreting what I said. I said he'll stuff the far right Brexiteers not Brexiteers in general, who come from a variety of political backgrounds.
Why? Because he's a pragmatist, if also an opportunist. And he's done the latter part already. — Baden
Going from right to the center is going left.1) Centre not left. — Baden
Right. The implementation of policies and their outcome takes a long time. Yet discourse is important in politics.2) It doesn't matter what Johnson says. — Baden
Me neither. Likely the number is as obscure as the number of 'Cultural Marxists' in universities brainwashing new generations of students to the leftist/woke cause.5) I don't know how many there are. — Baden
Ok. But that number is small, I will still argue. Especially after Brexit has happened. If people would be logical, you would need a new definition. But perhaps not. Perhaps "Brexiteers" will continue to be present after decades from now: those Britons/english who cherish Brexit and think that Brexit was equivalent of winning the Battle of Britain in 1940 against the German Luftwaffe. That surely sound "Brextremism" today. Who knows.6) "Brextremists" might be a more accurate term as they're not all on the right. — Baden
Forgetting about the UKIP/Brexit Party/Farage nonsense surely happens, because the Brexit party is already something of the past. In the end they have nothing to do with the conservative party. I don't think that this even means going anywhere on the political spectrum, left or right.So, my claim is (and it's just a theory, obviously) that Johnson will pivot away from his hard Brexit line because that will make it easier for him to make a trade deal and allay the risk of a new no-deal exit, which would have disastrous economic implications. He can drop the pretence of ideological commitment now because he has castrated Farage as a political player. And his history shows he's generally pro-European, so I expect his focus to be on maintaining his economic bona-fides rather on trying to win any more Brextremist beauty contests. This is all just another way of saying it's about realpolitik. — Baden
Going from right to the center is going left. — ssu
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