Natural disasters are punishment of Allah Subhanahu Wa Taala for those people who are either disbelievers or cross His limits; — Natural disasters and calamities in light of Quran and Sunnah
It was carried out by Nazis and assisted by muslims. — Nobeernolife
Allah willing, the next time will be at the hand of the believers. — Nobeernolife
No, no. It was carried out by Nazis. — alcontali
And Yussuf Al-Qaradafi is not just "a" random cleric, he is the spiritual head of the Muslim Brotherhood and massively influential in the (sunni) islamic world. — Nobeernolife
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There is no Pope in Islam. — alcontali
I did not say anything about a pope. Why do you keep misquoting me? — Nobeernolife
However, I am sure you know that various clerics in the islamic world carry various degrees of respect. Al-Quaradafi has an enormous influence in Sunni islam, just like Al Sistani has in Shia islam. If you did not know that, check it yourself. — Nobeernolife
Well no, we're not coming up with new rules, we're only coming up with commonalities. As you say:Now if the leaders of all the religions of the world could get together and come up with a set of rules of morality that they could agree upon? — EricH
That sounds too much like an attempt to do design by committee. — alcontali
Here's a task that would be well suited to a person of your capabilities. Figure our how to map moral rules into the Coq Proof Assistant - start an open source project and allow people of all faiths to enter their moral rules into the database and look for intersections. So in the simplest situation, religion X may have moral rules {a, b, c, d} while religion Y has moral rules {d, e, f} - so there is a common moral rule "d".Religions all have the same function and therefore are more similar than different. It's like with competing brands of cars. No matter who builds the car, it still has to do approximately the same things as any other car. So, the similarities will always be more striking than the differences. — alcontali
Just out of curiosity - and in an effort to understand you better - do you consider yourself Sunni, Shiite, other? — EricH
You have expressed very consistently the need for a formal set of rules that are inspired by a transcendental source outside the system itself. — EricH
Are you saying that the only thing keeping you from performing such acts is the moral rules of your religion? — EricH
Can you acknowledge that you do not need a transcendental source to recognize that such actions are morally wrong? — EricH
As I see it, there are no such religious scholars who "carry various degrees of respect". Only what they say, can "carry various degree of respect". If their advisory syntactically entails from scripture then I will carefully accept what they say. Otherwise, I won't. — alcontali
Islam will have to demonstrate that their system truly clarifies moral issues and gives us more motivation to follow them — Gregory
Religions like Christianity and Islam (as opposed to Indian religions) say that God is the lord of life and can order killings. — Gregory
Well the old Testament has the Jews killing pregnant women by tearing out the fetus. — Gregory
Well, if you want to base your argument not on any statements by clerics but solely on the literal contents of the Koran — Nobeernolife
It may work like that in the liberal arts, but it does not work like that in any serious STEM field. It also does not work like that in religious law. — alcontali
I think that the christian religions should start using some sort of rigorously trained expert to interpret their moral code — Sir2u
My argument against the resurrection as historical fact: there are miracles claims in all religions. Thats what a religion is. — Gregory
Religious ideology is not a "serious STEM field". — Nobeernolife
assert Syllogism { all Socrates: univ, Man, Mortal: set univ | -- every man is mortal Man in Mortal -- Socrates is a man and (Socrates in Man) -- implies Socrates is mortal implies Socrates in Mortal } check Syllogism
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