Does knowing it or believing it make it true, — Harry Hindu

Neither,

Does knowing it or believing it make it true, — Harry Hindu

You're turning what something means into something it does in this question. If we know it, that means it is true, in most definitions of 'know'.

Though since even knowledge is revisable, if one is, say, a scientist, even then it may turn out not to be.

Neither — Banno

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Excellent, Banno. You're more tin-headed than most but eventually make your way to seeing that I was correct all along.

Yeah, Thing is, I'm making the same point I have been making for years.

If I claim to know, it can either be true or false, so the expression 'I know', is vague on that degree.

Knowledge, however, is not vague...

{{There's a difference between knowing and claiming to know; knowing is K, K-significant simulation aspect is KX.

If K, then KX - K = X. If -K, then KX - X = K. Simple code.}}

Knowledge is an accurate process.

If I actually know X then X - X = 0 is what I know. Whether or not you do or don't know is vague - but it's not vague if you do or don't.

I think knowledge is not a claim, but a effort. If I know without a claim it's a simple mental effort.

Yeah, Thing is, I'm making the same point I have been making for years. — Banno

This thread doesnt contain what you've said for years - only what you've said recently, which is inconsistent.

Maybe that's the problem, Banno. You been saying the same thing for years, so you must think that there's nothing else for you to learn and that you know everything.