It seems that it's hard to say whether we have free will or not. — Rystiya
The solution is simple — Rystiya
think about the question that ought to be addressed before anything else — SophistiCat
If see the mind instead of the external world as the greatest (most fundamental) reality, and see the eternal world as merely a circumstance encountered by the mind. If this is done successfully, we will stop asking ‘how to deal with my internal world’, and ask ‘how to deal with the external world’ instead.
It is logical to do so, not only because we can’t be aware of the external world without a mind, but also because we can’t know we know about the external world until our life experience (or feelings) tell us about ourselves. In other words, if we deny the realness of our minds, we must also deny the realness of external world; if we deny the realness of external world, we don’t have to deny the realness of our minds.
By doing so, the demoralizing power of free will isuue would be greatly diminished, as it is now reduced to a small problem we happen to encounter as we are trying to understand the external world sensed by our minds. — Rystiya
Agreed, but there's also "more at stake" concerning free will, and also, "it's obvious".People define free-will in different ways. And so they argue about different things. — Malice
The more-at-stake aspect can be seen two ways — InPitzotl
It's hard to say what free will is. It's hard to even get people to think seriously about the question: they would rather argue endlessly about "free will" than think about the question that ought to be addressed before anything else. — SophistiCat
Oh, it's even worse than this; indeterminism hasn't even been demonstrated in microscopic systems. The common notion is that quantum mechanics demonstrates indeterminism, but if you peel that layer of the onion and look at it, it's not quite this simple. Whether QM demonstrates indeterminism depends on your favorite QM interpretation... though, the type of determinism you find in say MWI is a strange, quantum realist (and thus classical non-realist) type of determinism that just makes this all the more complicated.There is a possibility for indeterminism. It has never been demonstrated in a macroscopic system. — Malice
if we deny the realness of our minds, we must also deny the realness of external world; if we deny the realness of external world, we don’t have to deny the realness of our minds. — Rystiya
Oh, it's even worse than this; indeterminism hasn't even been demonstrated in microscopic systems — InPitzotl
The solution to deal with its demoralizing power. ‘Solution’ sounds confusing, I’ll change that — Rystiya
People define free-will in different ways. And so they argue about different things. But it really goes back to the concept of "you". You like others, will say you have a body, you have a brain, you have... maybe a spirit or soul... two arms and two legs. Who is "you"? The idea of there being a "you" and the continuation of self is intertwined with all definitions of free-will. — Malice
Nature as in, our exact state. — Malice
All mind is thought and belief. — creativesoul
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