why have Democrats (so far) voted for the candidate with dementia rather than the one who has neither dementia nor craziness? — Relativist
If Bernie does that, who will this convince to vote for him? Might this not actually repel as many from voting for him? e.g. why would a moderate independent vote for him? It's a crap shoot - there's no way to know how those opposing factors will add up.Bernie Sanders needs to clearly enumerate and demarcate the fact that Biden and Trump have both played key roles, in different circumstances mind you - but key roles nonetheless - in causing unacceptable, unnecessary, and quantifiable harm to average everyday Americans. — creativesoul
that's why I am more concerned with electibility. — Relativist
If Sanders is one of the best speakers around, and that makes a meaningful difference in terms of votes why hasn't Bernie run away with votes in the primaries?So you consider a weak, obviously mentally impaired, candidate who will be mauled in the debates against Trump to be more electable than one of the best speakers around who could fight him on his own populist ground? — Baden
If Sanders is one of the best speakers around, and that makes a meaningful difference in terms of votes why hasn't Bernie run away with votes in the primaries? — Relativist
but at the core of that snowball is that there are good reasons to believe Biden is more electable: as a moderate, he is more likely to bring in independents and never-Trumpers. Polling in swing-states consistently showed he had the bigger edge over Trump. By contrast, Bernie strikes fear in moderates and independents - this can drive up opposition voting. — Relativist
Explain the broad appeal you think he has. — Relativist
Of course, but it makes it a reasonable belief. I'm awaiting reasons to believe it false. This isn't one:ust because they sound like they could be true, doesn't mean they are. — Artemis
The metric cited is popularity with his constituents. Sure, he's a shoe-in to win Vermont. This has no bearing on whether he can win Florida or Michigan.He's the most popular senator in America.
https://politicalwire.com/2020/01/16/sanders-is-most-popular-senator/ — Artemis
Will you vote for Trump if Biden is the nominee?His policies are also the ones that most Americans support. — Artemis
If Sanders is one of the best speakers around, and that makes a meaningful difference in terms of votes why hasn't Bernie run away with votes in the primaries? — Relativist
Will you vote for Trump if Biden is the nominee?
My guess is that everyone who supports Medicare-for-All is going to vote Democrat, no matter who is the candidate. — Relativist
I am one of them, and I see good reasons to think it's true, and haven't seen good reasons to think otherwise. Got any?Because voters have been convinced that he can't win and isn't "electable." — Xtrix
Because voters have been convinced that he can't win and isn't "electable."
— Xtrix
I am one of them, and I see good reasons to think it's true, and haven't seen good reasons to think otherwise. Got any? — Relativist
By "original post" are you referring to the one where you referenced the Newsweek article? It doesn't address the topic of who has a better chance betwee Biden and Bernie. Sure, Biden has vulnerabilities. It's an exaggeration to claim he has dementia, so if want to make a case you should avoid hyperbole. Bernie has liabilities too, and I've seen no acknowledgment. His liabilities are the polarizing nature of his policies. I wonder if you simply don't want to believe that, because of your passion for his policies. Bernie's policies turn more people off than does Biden's. Either of them can get the strong anti-Trump vote, so I calculate a net loss for Bernie.Ohhhhh boy. I'm just gonna refer you right back to my original post in which I showed that Biden and Bernie are TIED as to who will vote for them over Trump.
I'm sorry, but it really seems like you just don't want to understand what several people (so, phew, it's not just me!) here have been telling you. — Artemis
Here's the ultimate test for Bernie supporters: will vote for Trump if Biden is the nominee? If no, then what makes you so sure others will do exactly that? — Relativist
Let me know if I left anything out. — Relativist
3) Sanders policies will scare Republicans, and Republican-leaning independents - increasing their turnout (I'm not criticizing the policies, just noting that this backlash should be expected); — Relativist
Bernie Sanders needs to clearly enumerate and demarcate the fact that Biden and Trump have both played key roles, in different circumstances mind you - but key roles nonetheless - in causing unacceptable, unnecessary, and quantifiable harm to average everyday Americans.
— creativesoul
If Bernie does that, who will this convince to vote for him? — Relativist
Well, since you asked...
You left out all of the most important stuff.
...Which candidate actually has a good grasp upon the root problems(actual legislation over the last fifty or so years) that have caused so so many poor Americans to become disillusioned with government altogether?
...Which candidate was on the right side of history in the moment?
...Which candidate acknowledges these problems and is willing to do everything it takes to get them corrected... even if it is a long road?
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...Which candidate can explain these problems and their solutions to everyday Americans in clear and understandable terms? — creativesoul
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