Let the American people know about all the relevant facts... then let them decide.
Knowing the facts requires Sanders/Warren on the national stage for the sole purpose of show and tell. They both know what they are talking about.
A free and fair election must include a well-informed electorate. — creativesoul
Do we think it's even remotely likely that -- out of the blue -- they nominate Hillary Clinton? — Xtrix
Sometimes it's OK to just say "Yeah, that was silly." This is an online forum - no need to save face. Why go on defending the indefensible? Because I can't get myself to believe you actually believe what you're saying. You're smarter than that. — Xtrix
Where I see her showing up possibly is on Biden’s cabinet. — 0 thru 9
If it's not a woman, perhaps Joe should take Bernie as vice president.
Vice president isn't so important, but Biden should really get the progressives with him.
(And think of how scared that would make Republicans if Joe has health problems.) — ssu
Bernie's policies turn more people off than does Biden's. — Relativist
So when Bernie is denied the nomination, I truly hope he runs as an independent. And totally fvcks “the system” and everything else up. Including people’s minds. — 0 thru 9
You believe the DNC is conspiring against Bernie by disseminating the notion that Bernie isn't as electable. What evidence do you have of this? Bernie's electability was an issue during the debates. Candidates like Klobuchar, Buttigieg, Steier, and Bloomberg made an issue of it... — Relativist
...it sounds like you consider Biden and Trump as equally bad. — Relativist
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Which makes perfect sense if they truly believed a moderate had a better chance than Bernie, and they accepted the fact that they couldn't be the one.You believe the DNC is conspiring against Bernie by disseminating the notion that Bernie isn't as electable. What evidence do you have of this? Bernie's electability was an issue during the debates. Candidates like Klobuchar, Buttigieg, Steier, and Bloomberg made an issue of it... — Relativist
All of whom immediately endorsed Biden after securing just about the same amount of delegates as Bernie found himself behind after super tuesday. — creativesoul
Trump's promises were appealing to some: a wall paid for by Mexico, a Muslim ban, tax cuts, replacing NAFTA, withdrawing from the Iran deal, and most important of all: judges who would strike down Roe v Wade.If people were used to voting based on policy, Hillary would've won. — Benkei
It's how I view things too, Carlos. But, as you know, it's only one part of an important issue. The other part is to ask what effect the environment has on individual choices and responsibility. The environment includes: housing, income, access to healthcare, education, food, etc., and the quality of these resources, filtering systems, laws, discrimination, tax codes, judicial bias (if you're rich, it's a slap on the wrist; if you're poor [whether white or black] you get 10 years), drug polices (and others) that disproportionately effect poor and minority communities, and on and on.
you'll find that the game we're playing isn't equal or fair but, in fact, tilted in many ways towards certain groups.
You're right about the hard data, and I admit I'm giving you my sense of things - my opinion. Nevertheless, I provided the reasoning behind my opinion. You may disagree with my analysis, but you haven't actually shown I'm wrong. — Relativist
Given that I formed my own opinion, and that it seems a reasonable opinion, I'm not all surprised others have drawn the same conclusion. Why can't you accept that possibility? You don't have to agree that Biden is more electable to recognize that it's not an unreasonable opinion. Given that, there's no good reasons to imagine a conspiracy theory. Conspiracies do happen, but most conspiracy theories prove to be fantasy. — Relativist
If we're looking to actually help individuals our focus should tend to be on microeconomic decisions as opposed to macroeconomic ones. If you're a financial advisor and a struggling person comes into your office it makes more sense to have them write up a budget and analyze their goals than to blame NAFTA or deregulation. I'm not discounting these... but again, start with the small first and then work your way up. Do not gloss over the small and immediately resort to the big when analyzing individuals. — BitconnectCarlos
you'll find that the game we're playing isn't equal or fair but, in fact, tilted in many ways towards certain groups.
Oh of course it is but so is life itself. There's no "system" on earth that's fair and I don't quite know what fair would look like. Sure, I'm with you that the war on drugs is unfair. Lets scrap it. — BitconnectCarlos
I think this could be an interesting point of discussion; what do you do with this fact concerning the unfairness of life itself? — BitconnectCarlos
What evidence am I ignoring? I haven't ignored the polling, I just don't think a raw reading of the polls tells the whole story - note how variable they are. This suggests a higher degree of error in them than the statistical analysis suggests. I'll give you more background on my position.But I think in your case the evidence is being ignored for a more speculative and "instincts"-based justification. — Xtrix
And of course he actually hasn't delivered, but that doesn't matter. He has done enough to infuriate the liberals, which Trump voter absolutely love. And his "non-presidential" way of joking keeps them smiling. Above all, any criticism can be shrugged off as TDS.Trump delivered on all those (more or less). So the people who liked those policies then, love Trump more than ever. — Relativist
Which of those items did he not deliver on at least in a qualified way? To be clear, I'm not a fan of the deliverables.And of course he actually hasn't delivered, but that doesn't matter. — ssu
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