Being unconvinced that a God exists is Agnosticism. — Pinprick
I’m not trying to determine the truth of anyone’s belief. I’m trying to determine if believing that there are no Gods is logically possible. I feel that believing in an empty set is equivalent to lacking belief. Therefore, Atheism (and possibly other terms such as Nihilism) are better defined as a lack of belief in X, as opposed to believing that not-X, when not-X implies an empty set. Believing that not-X, when doing so implies an empty set, is actually not a belief at all. That is my claim. — Pinprick
...one would have to make the unwarranted assumption that "physical entities" are those thing that homo sapiens, the puny prime species of this tiny rock in space...is capable of detecting all entities that are physical!
Why would anyone do that? — Frank Apisa
:up:To believe something is just to think that it is true, nothing more. — Pfhorrest
Yeah, I agree, but as an implication of believing that theism is not true, the truth-value of which being demonstrable, whereas the truth-value of any "belief about the ontology of g/G" is not directly demonstrable.I think atheism is a belief about the ontology of god — TheMadFool
My position - a-theism entailed by demonstrable anti-theism.I/we believe (i.e. assent) that theism is an empty concept and every 'theistic g/G' is, therefore, fictional. — 180 Proof
True enough...as long as we acknowledge that being unconvinced that no gods exist...also is Agnosticism. — Frank Apisa
I believe atheism is A. Atheism is the belief god doesn't exist for certain. — TheMadFool
"God" undefined - sans definite predicates (i.e. what type of g/G? or what differentiates g/G from non-g/G?) - renders these statements incoherent (i.e. nonsense).What concerns us here are two propositions:
1. God exists
2. God doesn't exist — TheMadFool
Err, no. That would be anti-theism. Atheism simply refers to disbelief of the claim, not a belief in non-existence. — Nobeernolife
The dictionary defines "disbelief" as "mental rejection of something as untrue". Let's suppose that atheism is disbelief of the proposition "god exists". As per the definition then that is equivalent to saying the proposition "god exists" is untrue or false. If a proposition, here "god exists", is false then its contradiction, viz. "god doesn't exist", is true. — TheMadFool
So, either atheism is the belief that god doesn't exist or atheism is agnosticism. Since atheism isn't agnosticism, atheism is the belief that god doesn't exist. — TheMadFool
"God" undefined - sans definite predicates (i.e. what type of g/G? what differentiates g/G from non-g/G?) - renders these statements nonsensical utterances. — 180 Proof
No, that does not follow. A rejection of a claim does not imply a belief in the opposite of the claim. For example if I claim that there is intelligent life in the outer Nebula, I do not claim that there is none. I simply reject your claim because we are talking about something that is unknowable. Clearer? — Nobeernolife
That would be being agnostic about life in outer Nebula. — TheMadFool
No. Agnostic would imply that I think life in the outer nebula is unknowable, whch I do not. — Nobeernolife
Clear as ... mud. You lost me, Fool. — 180 Proof
Anytime.Clear as ... mud. You lost me, Fool.
— 180 Proof
It's ok. Thank you for engaging with me though. You seem to be someone who's already been to and traveled on from where I am right now. Thanks again. — TheMadFool
Pfhorrest: In your diagram you make a distinction between "doesn't think god exists" and "thinks god doesn't exist". This is mere wordplay. — TheMadFool
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True enough...as long as we acknowledge that being unconvinced that no gods exist...also is Agnosticism.
— Frank Apisa
You want to bring out that old canard? That is just Russels orbiting teapot again. — Nobeernolife
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I believe atheism is A. Atheism is the belief god doesn't exist for certain.
— TheMadFool
Err, no. That would be anti-theism. Atheism simply refers to disbelief of the claim, not a belief in non-existence. — Nobeernolife
People who use "atheist" as a descriptor are people who either "believe" there are no gods...or who "believe" it is more likely that there are no gods than that there is at least one. — Frank Apisa
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People who use "atheist" as a descriptor are people who either "believe" there are no gods...or who "believe" it is more likely that there are no gods than that there is at least one.
— Frank Apisa
No. This is old and tired talking point. Disbelieving a claim is not a belief. — Nobeernolife
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