Nobeernolife
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Nothing whatever wrong with my reading comprehension.
— Frank Apisa
OK, boomer... — Nobeernolife
We agree...so far.True, same as the rest of us. — Anti
Not even close. There is absolutely no presumption that a "creator exists" in what I wrote.Already, in a slightly clever way making a presumption that "creator exists" — Anti
Sort of true as the statement is a little woolly. — Anti
True.
So it's statement 2 that "suggests" you do, or might do. — Anti
Opps, done it again. Now you assumed there isn't. So an assertion, so in error. Remember, the truth is "don't know". :) — Anti
I'm 83. Hardly a boomer. — Frank Apisa
Ahhh...you are playing a game. — Frank Apisa
I see no reason to suspect that gods MUST EXIST — Frank Apisa
Also, "I don't know" also is established. We can also carefully ignore believers, non-believers and people with faith at least in the attempt of proving/ disproving God's existence because, believing something because it is useful and not because it is true poses a threat to our intellectual integrity. — Zeus
modern science can prove with evidence how and why — Zeus
do we really need to establish a creator when we can break down the whole process with microscopic precision — Zeus
I'm just trying to say, as clearly and concisely as I can, we agree the answer is "not known". If we reason further and say anything more, we are assuming, whether its "does" "doesnt" matters not because we already established "dont know". Not "doesnt". :) — Anti
...so I don't. — Frank Apisa
Its the MUST bit I see as wooly. We were only concerned with "does" or "doesn't". Otherwise we are sort of dropping inbetween "does" or "doesnt" and therefore losing the straight clarity we were trying to maintain. The answer we keep returning to is, "don't know". Neither "believer", neither "non believer". — Anti
Antidote
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...so I don't.
— Frank Apisa
Come on Frank, really. You not seeing this? Why you making me hit you with this all the time, I feel bad — Antidote
The "must" is essential — Frank Apisa
Is "must" affirmative or subjective? If I say to someone, "you can do this if you like", or say, "you must do this". Is it affirmative? The reason it is essential is because as soon as you remove it the "deck of cards" falls down. — Anti
Stop playing this game! — Frank Apisa
or are not particularly bright. — Frank Apisa
The same objection stands, it's your last statement, "...so I don't. As in you don't believe creator exists". We established that "creator doesn't exist" wasn't true, or it was false. So your last statement makes you false, wrong. Whatever you want to call it. Forget the wording and your argument, because it is a work of fiction. We proved it time and time again.
Those people who believe in a creator do so by faith.
Those people who dont believe in a creator do so by faith. — Antidote
Antidote
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Yes for sure, we need to be very careful or will will jump to conclusions. Okay, so we have taken a backward step again, or i misunderstand you because it sounds like we are splitting hairs. Or prehaps you are not an athiest? — Antidote
The only difference in my two statements is the word, "dont" — Anti
Did the scientist in the example prove there was no creator?
Did the example leave enough doubt or room for a creator to exist in potential?
Do you consider yourself an athiest (no creator)? If not, then your are not an athiest. — Anti
I say this because where we got stuck in a bit of a loop was in the transgression you made when you said, "... so i dont". Perhaps you could explain what you meant by this? — Anti
Okay, that's an interesting one, if you are an agnostic, when we arrived at the "fact" which showed it was "not known", why didn't you agree? — Antidote
I have said in no uncertain terms that I DO NOT KNOW if gods exist or not. — Frank Apisa
There is NO WAY to establish with any certainty that at least one god exists...or that no gods exist. There is NO WAY to establish with any certainty that IT IS MORE LIKELY one way or the other. — Frank Apisa
I don't see where your enthusiastic commitment to no possibility of knowledge comes from. What makes you to be so sure of no possibility of certainty? I am curious, more than I am challenging. Is there a foolproof proof that proves that? — god must be atheist
If it is selective, though (some religious people claim a personal revelation)...the person would have to prove he/she is not delusional. — Frank Apisa
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