You put it so eloquently I thought I would use it to define my position by changing it a little;Enai De A Lukal, I think he's implying that God is the necessary ground of all existence, so since he knows that he himself exists, that is proof of God's existence.
I think you are over interpreting what I said, I have at no point said I can prove the existence of God, only that I can provide evidence of God, should God exist. The problem being that we can't determine in anyway whether God exists, or not, philosophically.I can't decide if I'm being trolled or not. You said: "My evidence for the existence of God is my existence".
My position is that the fundamentals can self-exist, because we necessarily have no way of knowing whether the mathematical structure that is identical to our physical universe is dependent on any deeper fundamentally inaccessible structure, so as far as we can tell it does self-exist, and if it can self-exist, there's no reason to suppose that all other mathematical structures don't as well. — Pfhorrest
Can you give me your reasoning that God can't be both the creator and some other player in the world? It isn't an assumption I have made. — Punshhh
I said what you have now confirmed you said- that you believe God exists and that your own existence is evidence of this
The reasons, or arguments you give are actually irrelevant because we don't have a "control" (a known example of a universe not created by a God) to compare it with. I am happy to explain this further, if you can't see the working.The world simply doesn't look like what we'd expect, if something like the deity of western monotheistic traditions (especially the Christian Bible) existed- so creation ex nihilo, a moral world order, immortal souls, and all the rest- and looks an awful lot like we'd expect if it was not created by a moral personal agent.
Ah, so saying God would be equivalent to saying nature, I see what you mean. I can only see the relevance of this line of reasoning were I to claim to know, or define God, I'm not doing that. I'm trying to discuss any real God which may be involved in our origins. As opposed to any God understood, or defined through the history of human thought. I know that this might be a difficult prospect, but it is what I am concerned with.Well, you said that this was an attribute God has, so God is a creator. He might be other things, but if he is all things, we're back to square one.
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