Oh I didn't censor them, [####]. — StreetlightX
It's exactly analogous. And I censored street's comments, not him. Anyway, please just stop it now. We're talking about Biden's record here. Accusations or provocations like that will be deleted. — Baden
Forget who will or won't vote for him. Can anyone tell me what he offers progressives? — Baden
Yeah just a few "hot spots of American life" like incarcerating blacks at record rates and supporting illegal, region-runing wars. Usual American stuff. — StreetlightX
You don't seem to get it. In America it's general election time. Time to choose. My own view and hope concerning Biden is that he will help re-establish the professionalism of the people who actually make the US government work, namely the - our - civil service. And this in response to Trump's clawing at it. Repairing Trump's damage is going to be a big job over the next four years (assuming Biden is elected). And I expect him to be pro-science. And I expect that the big problems we all face he will not handle as Trump might, though lying nonsense. It' a sad commentary, but what he offers to progressives is simply and at least the possibility of rational and reasonable discussion - which at the moment does not exist.So, can we go back to the details of Biden's record?
Forget who will or won't vote for him. Can anyone tell me what he offers progressives? — Baden
Just give the DNC carte blanche and acquiesce in the obsolescence of what minimal democracy you have. — StreetlightX
we want to have an administration we can influence — Xtrix
Why in the world would the DNC offer anything when the apoplexia of "imagine the other guy" causes people to fall in line no matter how terrible the line is? (case in point: this thread). — StreetlightX
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It really comes down to this: those who say that not voting for Biden are voting for Trump miss the fact that it was very policies and politics championed by Biden and his ilk which got you Trump in the first place. A vote for Biden is a vote for the next Trump, and the one after that.
American electoral politics has been a ratchet mechanism for the last two generations, with each click of the wheel forestalled only by a momentary holding pattern before plunging straight back into reactionary hell again. Voting for a Trumpian catalyst is a prolongation of pain, not an anaesthetic to it. — StreetlightX
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So, can we go back to the details of Biden's record?
Forget who will or won't vote for him. Can anyone tell me what he offers progressives? — Baden
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↪Frank Apisa Ah there you go again with the big hitting arguments. Real intellectual-powerhouse stuff Frank, no idea how I'm going to match. — StreetlightX
Yes, as I've said before, nobody pays for a free hamburger. — Baden
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↪Frank Apisa Why is it bullshit? — Benkei
It seems to me that if you have a politically corrupt system any vote for the establishment candidates is voting in favour of corruption. Heads, you lose, tails, monied interests win.
You might as well not vote. — Benkei
The difference between Trump and Biden is marginal from any perspective but the US perspective. That's because those differences are played to maximum effect in US media to give voters a feeling that they have a choice. It plays right into the identity politics of being Republican or Democratic. — Benkei
I've voted for a Conservative Liberal party, greens, Labour Party, animal rights party and Christian party (not in that order) due to changing personal views over time but mostly because of policy proposals I wanted to support. I don't see this flexibility with US voters; Dems think Reps are stupid and vice versa. Meanwhile, both parties serve you policy turds and you thank them for the privilege depending on which party had your loyalty.
But you have to be delusional to think that this is what Biden will enable. — StreetlightX
If you're not willing to hold them accountable now, exactly when? — StreetlightX
in a system which essentially will be a choice A or B? — Frank Apisa
1) Dems come to their senses and change their policies.
2) Dems lose and realize they're going to have to come to their senses and change their policies if they ever want to get their guy elected again.
Alternative: They win and never come to their senses and change their policies. — Baden
Now the names Gorsuch and Kavanaugh come to mind. So do the 200 federal judges confirmed so far. — Frank Apisa
Yes, as I've said before, nobody pays for a free hamburger.
— Baden
But if you OrGaNiZe and be an AcTiVisT they will name a National Burger Day (after a woman chef) and Trump wouldn't do that! — StreetlightX
The difference between Trump and Biden is marginal from any perspective but the US perspective. — Benkei
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