That means you are already in heaven — Rucan
1. We are suffering....my claim
2. We are [already] in heaven....your claim
3. If we are in heaven then it's not the case that we are suffering...premise
4. we are not in heaven (1, 3 modus tollen)
5. We are [already] in heaven & we are not in heaven (2, 4 conjunction)
6. Either we are not suffering or we are not [already] in heaven (1 to 5 reductio ad absurdum)
So, either you have a view of suffering that's different from the commonly accepted one or we're not in heaven.
My conclusion is, that the best world is any world — Rucan
Rucan — Rucan
↪Zophie Heaven and non-heaven are the same thing, by this theory. There is no place which is not heaven. It just changes with time what heaven is to you. — Rucan
ernestm — ernestm
As I understand it, that's for each person to figure out for themselves. — ernestm
I dont believe its right to deny them that hope in any way. — ernestm
I think that truth is the best and that to let one live in a fantasy that might make one give up an earthly pleasure for some imaginary pleasure later, is cruel. — Gnostic Christian Bishop
For me, heaven always starts right now. It's kind of an existentialist thing. How are you , but the way? I just made love with my girlfriend. She's adorable ) — ernestm
But maybe it isnt a fantasy, — ernestm
Part of my position is that other people are entitled to their own beliefs. — ernestm
Part of my position is that other people are entitled to their own beliefs.
— ernestm
I see Gnostic Christianity as having two mandates. — Gnostic Christian Bishop
What exactly do you think you are doing? — ernestm
If heaven exists, we are already in it. From the start and forever. We never really die. Just tansit to different type of energy. En — ttjordy
That's beautiful ) — ernestm
If you haven't explained how consciousness relates to time, you haven't explained consciousness. — neonspectraltoast
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