If you wake up and cannot feed your family, that is life. — Valentinus
Is that theater completely separated from the options people have in dire circumstances? — Valentinus
Is there a better gathering of people who feel like they do have a choice? — Valentinus
“holding cells” of jail or prison. — aRealidealist
Although I don’t deny that the justice system has or can quite unjustly impose such a consequence onto some people; nonetheless, there are times when it’s justified & has the desired effect. — aRealidealist
I am all for advancing the discussion but reject the notion it is not something we have been struggling with for a long time. — Valentinus
What? Can you please rephrase the question. — aRealidealist
Then why do we still struggle with it so badly? Is there any room for progress? — Shawn
However it has been shown to produce more economic success, which means, however much the current system of punishment in the USA may not be as fair or as corrective as in other cultures, such as the Netherlands for example, its here to stay and we have to accept it for what it is, despite innumerable irratoinalities. — ernestm
Sure, I don’t deny modern “contractualist” states can over do it, but that’s not an objection to contractualism, per say, but just to how certain modern states have employed it, which I’m not against objecting to. — aRealidealist
Irrationality in the extreme if I may be so bold! — Shawn
Sure, not technical laws of jurisprudence, but are you saying that children shouldn’t be taught rules of behavior & interaction at all? Moreover, this necessarily doesn’t imply fear but caution & moderation, which isn’t a bad thing. — aRealidealist
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