neonspectraltoast
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I don't trust Biden as far as I can throw him. I know he really serves the money. Great that you want Trump gone. There may be a whole lot of people just like you. There are people like me, too, who none of you respect and evidently just don't need.
I'm not voting, and I don't feel I matter enough to help determine who wins. Your idea of appealing to people like me is looking down on us and trying to shame us into voting. And for what? Biden? I can't relate to that clown.
A vote is a personal expression. It's about what you want to be personally responsible for. It's not what you say it is; it's what I say it is. And I don't like this society, of which Trump and Biden are both symptoms of the same problem.
You've got no problem with it. Fine. I do. I'm not into what this society is. Biden or Trump, you get the same society. Biden is just a placeholder for the next utter fascist who sparks the interest of the status quo.
In fact, we might be safer with Trump, because at least he's dumb and we all know it. What happens when a charismstic, yet evil, politician comes along? Electing Biden does nothing to change that fate. In fact, he engenders it.
The malfunction is society as a whole. — neonspectraltoast
prothero
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↪StreetlightX I'm not sure if your counting me as "one of these people". I merely think Biden has a responsiblity to put forward a coherent message of his vision for the nation and I do not see that he is being successful at that. I am optimistic that a message of hope would prevail over a message of fear and division but I am hearing a message from Trump and from Biden there is barely any message at all getting through. Surely a candidate for president does have an obligation and responsiblity to articulate his vision for the future. — prothero
I'm not talking about voting for a pure man versus an impure man. I'm trying to put myself in the shoes of someone with a real issue that will be voted on. That affects them. How do they vote? Street, I don't care about winning points, listen - how do they vote, and why? I mean something central : Again, look at the last ten SCOTUS cases. — csalisbury
Given it some thought. Neither the sonderkommando nor the katechon are quite the right images. Better are the collaborationist vichy, who, no doubt, argued with perfect rationality that France would be better governed by the French than the Germans, even as they helped the latter send their own citizens to the camps. Flawless arithmetic. "Yes the vichy are terrible, but...". Of course now we cheer when either the SS or the vichy are hung from the rafters in our historical reconstructions, even as the latter protested their supposed differences from the invaders. Mm. Much better. — StreetlightX
My point is only that the 'court argument' for voting for Biden isn't total bs. The reason for saying that is in part a self-correction because I was ripshit when Biden became the clear nom, and angrily declared never to vote for him. I still won't but I've come to think its more nuanced a question if you've something at stake. — csalisbury
The reason for saying that is in part a self-correction because I was ripshit when Biden became the clear nom, and angrily declared never to vote for him. I still won't but I've come to think its more nuanced a question if you've something at stake. — csalisbury
Yes, the Dems fucked over the best candidate (for a second time) and nominated the worst. If they were planning to lose the election by alienating as many supporters as possible, they couldn't have done a better job. And yet not voting Dem is still understandably a very difficult step for many progressives to take. Absolute shit show. Of course, the Dem leadership will just sleepwalk into the election pretending everything's fine like they did with Hillary. — Baden
jgill
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Will Biden be able to contend with the pressure exerted by Stacey Abrams? Will he buckle? — jgill
If Biden is elected and starts gassing people, my qualified support of the court argument will look silly, I grant that. I will even send you a $100 amazon gift card as penance. — csalisbury
But look - I'm not denying that there are reasons to vote for Biden. Just as there are reasons to vote for Trump, or third-party candidates, or whatever. I'm just saying, that the smug ease with which those equating not voting for Biden with Trump supporters and somehow responsible for his victory, is, well, shit, and peddled by shit people. — StreetlightX
A lot of folks are still - after 2016's swing state turnout debacle - missing the forest for the trees ... :roll: — 180 Proof
Anyway, my short list for Biden's VP contains these five prospects (2 Black Women, 2 White Women, 1 Hispanic Woman - 3 midwesterners & 2 southerners), any of which I believe would energize the Biden 2020 campaign and mobilize Democratic, Independent & (some) Republican women to vote this fall in record numbers like 2018.
Rep. Val Demings, D-FL
Gov. Gretchen Witmer, D-MI
Rep. Veronica Escobar, D-TX
Sen. Amy Klobuchar, D-MN
FLOTUS Michelle Obama (D-IL) — 180 Proof
... or rather Susan Rice. :wink:I know there is lots of blow back to mentioning Condoleezza Rice ... — Frank Apisa
You've confused me with someone else or not read my posts on voting in 3-4 relevant threads ...180 Proof So what's your reason to vote Biden over Trump and not abstain or vote third party? — Benkei
Why 'waste my vote' on Biden when he cannot win my resident state (Georgia)? — 180 Proof
I'm registered to vote in a reddish safe state, so most probably I'll vote "third party" like always (except in 2008). — 180 Proof
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