'Lesser-evil voting' (in close, competitive, elections) is the only option when subject to a schlerotic, ossified, colluding duopoly such as the current U.S. two-party system. :shade:↪180 Proof Aha. I guess that's where the disconnect is for me from a cultural background. I've never voted against anybody or anything in my life. With, on average, 15 political parties in parliament and coalition governments of at least 2 up to 6 parties, with an average of 4 since WWII, there's always a choice.
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Voting against someone just seems like such a fucking waste... — Benkei
:clap: :sweat: Yeah, I love that joke (a slightly different version); perfectly apt - which I'm sure I've also posted it elsewhere. :up:↪Benkei
There's this Zizek joke about a Slovenian farmer who is given two wishes by a magic fairy. He tells the fairy that his first wish is that his neighbour's cow drops dead. The fairy grants the wish and says, ok, what next? You have one more wish. The farmer says, now I want my cow to drop dead. The fairy says, well, ok, but why such a weird wish? The farmer shoots her a contemptuous look and says "So, if my neighbor comes to me for milk, I don't have to give him any!"
=American politics. — Baden
Lesser-evil voting' (in close, competitive, elections) is the only option when subject to a schlerotic, ossified, colluding duopology such as the current U.S. two-party system. — 180 Proof
Hobson's choice. :shade:What I love is how it's every fucking election anymore. You have to vote for the lesser evil OR ELSE. Don't dare vote third party. — Marchesk
In the American context, with respect to safe state voters (who deliberately or inadvertantly fail to vote for 3rd party candidates), yeah I agree.What that tells me is that the those in favor of the lesser evil have no intention in changing the status quo.
Yes, the Dems fucked over the best candidate (for a second time) and nominated the worst. If they were planning to lose the election by alienating as many supporters as possible, they couldn't have done a better job. And yet not voting Dem is still understandably a very difficult step for many progressives to take. Absolute shit show. Of course, the Dem leadership will just sleepwalk into the election pretending everything's fine like they did with Hillary. — Baden
Yes, I'm in agreement here. In my heart of hearts, I am happy with things being forced to their crisis. In my conscience of consciences, I feel like I'm able to feel that in my heart of hearts only because I've never been all that happy or successful in the old status quo, and I feel uncomfortable following my gut-feeling here. I think the the question of whether to vote for 'the lesser of two evils' in this particular election is partially a referendum on whether that way of thinking even makes sense anymore, on its own terms, even if you've always disagreed with it on principle. I do think the answer is that doesn't, and I think I barged into this thread not having seen the types of posts StreetlightX was responding to, which are frustrating (sorry @Frank Apisa, I can't buy what you're selling). I do still object to the transposition of manichaean-framing-in-outrageous-terms from one level to another. I'm not saying we should suppress anger, I think anger is often good and useful, but there's a kind of trench-warfare bitterness and frothing that hurts everyone involved, to no good purpose. — csalisbury
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So, Trump is Darth Vadar and Biden is what? A senile Yoda?? — Baden
We will all live with the consequences. — Frank Apisa
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We will all live with the consequences.
— Frank Apisa
Well, I guess I could live with senile creepy Yoda as long as he is given constant access to a teleprompter and stays away from my sister. Anyhow, Trump is getting worse daily, that's inarguable. And not just him but his whole shitty family. — Baden
Even though I'm an old sk0ol Trekkie ... to my geek mind, I'd say tRump is the "Death Star" and Biden is "R2D2" because that lil rust bucket carries secret plans key to helping the rebellion destroy the "planet-killer". :mask::victory:↪Frank Apisa ↪180 Proof
So, Trump is Darth Vadar and Biden is what? A senile Yoda?? — Baden
I have a problem with anthropomorphizing "the Dems". Biden is the nominee because that's where the process led. Was there something unfair about the process that you'd like to have changed, or is it just that you are unhappy with the result of the process?Yes, the Dems fucked over the best candidate (for a second time) and nominated the worst — Baden
I'm not looking forward to Trump or being told "crisis averted" when the crisis is staring me in the eye. — neonspectraltoast
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