• fdrake
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    The UK's Electoral Commission on the extent of UK voter fraud and postal votes:

    Electoral fraud is not widespread across the UK and reports of significant
    fraud are focused in specific places in England, concentrated in a small
    number of local authority areas. We do not believe it is likely that fraud has
    been attempted in more than a handful of wards in any particular local
    authority area.

    ...
    We do not recommend restricting the availability of postal voting in Great
    Britain. The impact on the overwhelming majority of electors who find postal
    voting a convenient and secure method of voting would not be proportionate
    to the potential integrity benefits. There are, however, some changes we want
    to see made to existing processes in order to make postal and proxy voting
    more secure, including continued urgent action by ROs and police forces in
    areas where there is a higher risk of allegations of electoral fraud and
    changes to stop campaigners handling absent voting materials, including
    absent voting applications and blank or completed postal ballot packs.

    And the link you provided consists entirely of anecdotes. It answers no questions regarding the scope of fraud.

    Edit: and dude, , that person was clearly not a protester. They walked towards a shop wearing identity obscuring clothes including a gas mask, made sure to walk with their umbrella low to cover the mask's face hole, left, and then were violent towards a protester with a camera.

    Their motives are not likely to be in support of the protesters, their motives are likely to be media management... So that people like you can talk about the protests turning to wanton vandalism; facilitating a dismissal of the protests by its conduct but not its concerns.
  • praxis
    6.5k


    I was pointing out the difference between glorifying violence and committing violence. You appear to be confused about this, as well as many other things.
  • Chester
    377
    If it could be done safely, without increased risk of fraud, no one would be against it ...but I'm afraid that it is obviously open to fraud...more chance of intimidation etc...anyone with eyes can see that.

    Just as an aside, I remember hearing students boasting of how they had voted twice by post in the referendum...but hey -ho.
  • Chester
    377
    Do you literally believe everything the establishment tells you? Fucking hell, no wonder we're fucked lol.
  • Streetlight
    9.1k
    I have to admit, the very fact that anyone is talking about any of this in terms of voter fraud is itself already a concession to Trump.

    It's about democratic disenfranchisement.

    That's the story, not voter fraud.

    Even pointing out that voter fraud is barely a thing is to distract from the only point that matters: Trump is trying to disenfranchise an entire swathe of his population. Engaging in the voter fraud angle - even if to marshal facts and so on to deny it - is already to lose the thread. Don't let it be a distraction.
  • Chester
    377
    Trust me, there's nothing confusing about you, I can read you like a very simple child's book.
  • Chester
    377
    To make it a bit simpler for you ...they gloried in their violence. What the fuck does stealing a tv have to do with the cops killing someone.
  • fdrake
    6.5k
    Even pointing out that voter fraud is barely a thing is to distract from the only point that matter: Trump is trying to disenfranchise an entire swathe of his population.StreetlightX

    :up:

    I have the futile hope that through repeated exposure to research @Chester will learn to be less gullible.
  • Chester
    377
    Someone accused me of being a conspiracy theorist earlier....
  • Michael
    15.4k

    What the hell? He didn't sacrifice himself for a cause, so saying that he "will not have died in vain" is crazy.
  • Benkei
    7.7k
    So you believe an anecdotal piece without any evidence but not the electoral commission whose reported on the leg work they've done to review this? Awesome disconnect there.

    It is being done safely. All you have is "feels" when "you're afraid" something is "obviously" the case when the facts actually point to the opposite. It's amazing how much information you're willing to ignore just to maintain a position that is not in the slightest researched or thought out.
  • Chester
    377
    Yeah but it's wound you up and given Trump's supporters a laugh so all's good.Plus obviously most of the good people getting their city trashed will be happy about it.
  • Michael
    15.4k
    Yeah but it's wound you up and given Trump's supporters a laugh so all's good.Chester

    Trump supporters (you?) think it's "a laugh" that someone died like he did?
  • Chester
    377
    You live in a world where authority can be trusted...I feel happy that you are secure in your trust and that your delusion can make you feel good. Everyone else knows postal voting is open to abuse.
  • Chester
    377
    I think it's a laugh that people like you think you have some kind of connection with that chap that got killed...

    Ask yourself this, of all the people that got murdered, raped and shat on in the world today why is all your concern about him?
  • Benkei
    7.7k
    Lmao. Fucking conspiracy bullshit "we can't trust the experts". So why the fuck are you trusting an MP? Or your "feels"? You reason like a teenage girl man. Grow up.
  • Chester
    377
    There is corruption in high places ...I'm surprised you didn't realise that.
  • praxis
    6.5k
    I can read you like a very simple child's book.Chester

    Frankly, I would be amazed if you could read any other sort of book.

    ...they gloried in their violence.Chester

    Should I care if you think it’s glorious?
  • Chester
    377
    The word "expert" gets brandied about by people for support when they haven't got a leg to stand on. Most "experts" are sell outs...especially if their field of expertise can be politicised.
  • Chester
    377
    Well ,luckily you're keeping it simple and predictable for me. Cheers.
  • praxis
    6.5k


    Cheers, mate! :smile:
  • NOS4A2
    9.2k


    That's not because only Democrats would act fraudulently, or "are [all Republicans] utterly truthful" according to you? It's because covid-19 disproportionally affects non-white US citizens who tend to vote Democratic more often. Denying them the ability to vote via mail-in ballots is the ploy and that's the real violation of rights here. Not a little link beneath the President's unsubstantiated claims.

    You don’t think non-whites can line up and vote like everyone else? Fucking sick.
  • Chester
    377
    I'm surprised he thinks they can fill out a ballot...maybe he thinks that they need guidance...
  • Syamsu
    132
    Mail ballots would lead to idiot socialists coercing their family members to vote socialist, checking the ballot. It would lead to votes getting sold. The postal system already exists for hundreds of years. Do you really think everybody was stupid not to come up with the idea of voting by mail, for hundreds of years? It is because it leads to coercion and fraud, OBVIOUSLY.
  • Chester
    377
    You're bashing your head against the wall with this lot mate...they can't figure out how postal votes could be rigged (I reckon a 10 year old could figure it out) but there you go.

    I also think it's likely that leftists would be more inclined to try vote rigging...lying is in their dna.
  • Syamsu
    132
    Well you know, they own the facts, because "science", the facts are anything they want them to be.
  • Chester
    377
    It's a shame but science seems to have become a branch of politics...Hitler did something similar.
  • praxis
    6.5k
    they own the factsSyamsu

    Y'all own the copyright on the alternative ones.

    Seriously thought, you guys are trying way too hard. Trolling is a subtle art.
  • NOS4A2
    9.2k


    What a lie. Any other advice you have for non-whites?
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