And an unenforced right doesn’t cease to exist, — Pfhorrest
Rights are freedoms that the State allows you to have. We don't need rights, we need freedom to the individual. God is just an early phase of the embodiment of the State. — Gus Lamarch
On those grounds I think everyone, by virtue of their existence, is endowed with enough worth and dignity and value to warrant a certain amount of respect and honor. — NOS4A2
Human relationship is one of egoism, a competition for power, and in some cases, aggressive behavior is acceptable. — Gus Lamarch
Rights say nothing about bureaucracy. — Pfhorrest
Given? Is not anything of that sort taken?
Taken by people who accept other claims to authority than given by a State?
Christianity argued there was such a point of leverage before it became the State. — Valentinus
And then I do think they think that rights do get enforced in the long run — Coben
Being that, I see it (rights) as an intersection of all that's good about the heart and the brain and that, my friend, is the mark of god's love and wisdom. — TheMadFool
No expert, but that sounds like a serious misreading. I don't think the founders sought a world free of religions, they just wanted government to stay out of the religion business. — Nuke
God given rights? Do the Easter Bunny or Father Christmas have any responsibilities? — Hot Potato
It would be sort of laughable to actually think people thought G-d literally descended from the heavens to bequeath them rights in some type of material form. — kudos
What better way to make your case than to plant your argument squarely within the design and will of God? It isn't the first time God has been used for political purposes. — Frank Pray
but rather the accountability of governments formed under God. — Frank Pray
Yes, and also wanted the religious to keep their religions out of politics. — Gnostic Christian Bishop
What do you mean by "religious to keep their religions out of politics"? — Nuke
Are religious people not supposed to organize, advocate and vote like the rest of us? One rule for them, another for us? — Nuke
There should not be any difference in the law of the land they follow and what you and I follow. — Gnostic Christian Bishop
Hmm.
Yet god so hated his son that he had him purposelessly killed.
One would really have to be a mad fool to see Yahweh, the genocidal Yahweh, as love and wisdom.
Regards
DL — Gnostic Christian Bishop
It just becomes meaningless. — Gnostic Christian Bishop
We've misunderstood the good book — TheMadFool
Not much sense in what you say. I am a parent myself and I do not let my children believe in such nonsense — Hot Potato
If someone grievously harms someone else and nobody stops it, does it become meaningless to say it was wrong? — Pfhorrest
There is a certainty of self righteousness in your point of view — Valentinus
I find it cruel to make children believe a load of lies. — Hot Potato
Get involved in philosophical discussions about knowledge, truth, language, consciousness, science, politics, religion, logic and mathematics, art, history, and lots more. No ads, no clutter, and very little agreement — just fascinating conversations.