What's ironic about discussions about economic redistribution based on race is that it parallels the very same racist policies that it is trying to help undo the consequences of. — Judaka
I'm very much for increasing economic redistribution, I think America is doing far less than it should but none of the benefits of economic redistribution should be used as an argument for doing it based on race. — Judaka
As for people who live today, racism and sexism are inexcusable. We must do what we can. — Judaka
I've started this thread for the sole reason of allowing those who want to claim it doesn't their say — Baden
Systemic racism obtains when a system(s) function (regardless of explicit rules) to favour certain racial groups over others. It doesn't require overt individual racists (though it may protect and even reward them) nor does it necessarily require any conscious acts of racism at all (and obversely you could have conscious acts of racism in a system where no systemic racism exists, only rather than being performative of the system, they would be antithetical to it). Systems are culturally contextual, they're embedded in cultures and how they function depends on their relationship to the culture they're in. So, often it's what the system allows rather than what the system demands that's important. E.g. if you've got a justice or policing system embedded in a culture that's only recently emerged from the acceptance of explicitly institutionalised racism, you need extremely strong safeguards to avoid the continuance of implicit racism in whatever ostensibly non-racist institutions are substituted. Not having those safeguards in place means the explicit racism of before doesn't just disappear but finds footholds in the new institutions and festers there looking for opportunities to express itself.
Systemic racism occurs in all areas of social life, policing, housing, education etc. And again, it's not primarily about explicitly racist acts or explicitly racist policies or legislation but how things work in practice to disadvantage communities of color. Here's an example relating to housing.
https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/race/reports/2019/08/07/472617/systemic-inequality-displacement-exclusion-segregation/
"For much of the 20th century households of color were systematically excluded from federal homeownership programs, and government officials largely stood by as predatory lenders stripped them of wealth and stability.
In the decades preceding the Fair Housing Act, government policies led many white Americans to believe that residents of color were a threat to local property values. For example, real estate professionals across the country who sought to maximize profits by leveraging this fear convinced white homeowners that Black families were moving in nearby and offered to buy their homes at a discount. These “blockbusters” would then sell the properties to Black families—who had limited access to FHA loans or GI Bill benefits—at marked-up prices and interest rates. Moreover, these homes were often purchased on contracts, rather than traditional mortgages, allowing real estate professionals to evict Black families if they missed even one payment and then repeat the process with other Black families.57 During this period, in Chicago alone, more than 8 in 10 Black homes were purchased on contract rather than a standard mortgage, resulting in cumulative losses of up to $4 billion. Blockbusting and contract buying were just two of several discriminatory wealth-stripping practices that lawmakers permitted in the U.S. housing system."
Most likely, as with you, objections to the existence of systemic racism turn on a misunderstanding of what it is. As if it's just the type of claim that police are racist or police departments have racist policies. That's really not it. It's usually far subtler than that and, for being so, all the more pernicious.
— Baden
What number of white males have been confronted with negative consequences as a result from the colour of their skin or being a man in the past 450 years in the USA?
What number of black people have been confronted with negative consequences as a result from the colour of their skin in the past 450 years in the USA?
What number of women have been confronted with negative consequences as a result from being female?
Should damages be repaired or not?
Who benefitted from the damages caused?
What has been done to address these injustices? — Benkei
OK, you don't understand what it is either. Read up on it. Systemic racism can and does occur within the boundaries of law. — Baden
It's against the law for systemic racism to exist, I think that for some people, that alone makes it hard to say that it does. — Judaka
You cannot "reverse" racism and sexism, you can only stop it. — Judaka
Economic redistribution based on race only reinforces the narrative of racial histories while excluding poor people from different backgrounds in the name of an irrational interpretation of fairness based on group identities. The benefits of economic redistribution cannot be used to justify doing it by race. — Judaka
I do not acknowledge the long-lasting economic consequences in the way that people want me to because it means continuing to treat black people as having a separate history because of their skin colour. I reject it, people are people, they aren't Africans, they're Americans, who share the same history as all Americans as Americans. Slavery was people hurting people, I won't view history the same way that the slavers we call evil did. — Judaka
I'm a fan of people such as Andrew Yang and UBI, let economic redistribution be a way of reducing divisions between Americans rather than highlighting them. — Judaka
What's ironic about discussions about economic redistribution based on race is that it parallels the very same racist policies that it is trying to help undo the consequences of. The government recognises your right to specific economic and social advantages by virtue of your race. They are specifically crafted advantages based on your race. It's not comparable to interpreted advantages based on statistics on race. — Judaka
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