Is there someone you can refer me to that's closer to your approach? Just to see it in another vocabulary? Or are you working on something fresh? — path
I wouldn't say that a name represents it's referent. It refers to it. It picks it out of this world to the exclusion of all else. — creativesoul
As far as I know, there is no other advocate of what I'm advocating. My world-view has been influenced by far more people than I can possibly know, and there are similarities and shared positions on specific points with many. — creativesoul
What about when a dog pees where other dogs have peed? We can say that they are indicating their presence, maybe other things. But all we see is that the dog pees where other dogs have peed.
Or we can say that bee dancing points other bees to food, but all we see is the dance and that the bees go to where the first bee was.
Would you accept this as enacted correlation? — path
If we tell a kid to go get a screwdriver and he brings the screwdriver back, does that work? — path
Russell's Why I Am Not A Christian, is chock full of good suggestions for how to go about questioning the worldview that one adopts... which subsumes the thrown-ness, and much of the other Heiddy notions you've grown fond of. — creativesoul
A picture held us captive. And we could not get outside it, for it lay in our language and language seemed to repeat it to us inexorably.
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The aspects of things that are most important for us are hidden because of their simplicity and familiarity. (One is unable to notice something because it is always before one’s eyes.) The real foundations of his enquiry do not strike a man at all.)
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I think I summed up my attitude to philosophy when I said: philosophy ought really to be written only as a poetic composition.
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When you are philosophizing you have to descend into primeval chaos and feel at home there.
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Sometimes, in doing philosophy, one just wants to utter an inarticulate sound.
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We are struggling with language. We are engaged in a struggle with language.
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Language is a part of our organism and no less complicated than it.
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Perhaps what is inexpressible (what I find mysterious and am not able to express) is the background against which whatever I could express has its meaning.
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Philosophy is not a body of doctrine but an activity.
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Man feels the urge to run up against the limits of language.
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So in the end, when one is doing philosophy, one gets to the point where one would like just to emit an inarticulate sound. — Wittgenstein
Such earnestness is threatened by an awareness of how 'historical' language is, that we never start with a clean state... — path
I still suggest that read. As I mentioned, the method for questioning one's own adopted belief system holds good regardless of individual particulars. — creativesoul
My point is (necessarily approximately ) that any such method is insufficiently critical. — path
I'm not at all allergic to Heiddy's philosophy. Unfortunately though, the most insightful piece of work 'from him' is the dialogue in the beginning of On The Way To Language between him and the Japanese philosopher regarding that which goes unspoken... — creativesoul
If you want some REAL insight into Witt, find a copy of the Cambridge letters... — creativesoul
That goes without being said... with me. We can delve into such though. It is quite germane to 'bedrock belief', of the linguistic variety anyway.... — creativesoul
Perhaps..
However, if there are a plurality of different methods all of which are capable of showing us a bit of how language acquisition affects/effects us, ought we not learn to use as many as we can, so as to creep closer towards sufficiency/adequacy? — creativesoul
That's why your objection to talk of being thrown is strange to me. You included in your quote of me 'that we never start from a clean slate.' That's more or less exactly what it means to be thrown. In any of our thinking about thinking, we are using an inherited vocab and tradition. Part of thinking about thinking is realizing this, and this is where earnest linguistic philosophy becomes ironic or highly suspicious of itself. — path
I've argued against Witt's notion of "The limits of my language is the limits of my world", as well as other misguided notions that are the inevitable result of placing too much importance upon the role of language in human thought and belief, as a result of working from an utterly inadequate criterion for what counts as thought and belief. — creativesoul
I'm very aware of what it means to be thrown. I'm also painfully aware of what it takes to shed such 'bedrock belief'. — creativesoul
I've argued against Witt's notion of "The limits of my language is the limits of my world", as well as other misguided notions that are the inevitable result of placing too much importance upon the role of language in human thought and belief, as a result of working from an utterly inadequate criterion for what counts as thought and belief.
— creativesoul
I do want to hear more about that. — path
Perhaps you'll agree, though, that maybe there will be no perfectly adequate criterion, since we don't legislate the language of the future. These tokens 'thought' and 'belief' can always be (and always are) recontextulized, drifting into new roles. And do either of us cling to some notion of 'belief-in-itself', 'thought-in-itself'?
Half-dead metaphor, kind of a metaphor in itself. Rivers with mouths is a good example. — Marchesk
I'm fascinated by 'philosophy is metaphors' as a metaphor that uses 'metaphor' (itself a dead metaphor) metaphysically. Derrida's essay 'The White Mythology' obsesses over this — path
A book's worth of thought and/or belief about three words that amount to a false equivalence? — creativesoul
Things like that bug me about certain philosophers. Bewitchment. — creativesoul
the scope is daunting to say the least. — creativesoul
My cat is literally pushing books off my shelf at the moment. — path
Thanks. I'm fascinated by 'philosophy is metaphors' as a metaphor that uses 'metaphor' (itself a dead metaphor) metaphysically. Derrida's essay 'The White Mythology' obsesses over this. To me this is part of the theme of us not being able to get out of metaphysics, where 'metaphysics' is used metaphorically. — path
There was a philosophy book on embodied cognition that made the claim all of western metaphysics was based on taking metaphors literally. — Marchesk
Sounds like that could be turned into a metaphor. — Marchesk
There was a philosophy book on embodied cognition that made the claim all of western metaphysics was based on taking metaphors literally. I guess that's sort of a companion to the late Wittgenstein's approach. — Marchesk
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