How would you solve the problem? The Galactic Supreme Court would certainly appreciate it. — David Mo
It's much simpler than that. When you hit your finger with the hammer, it hurts. When you hit the TV, it doesn't. — David Mo
M = Only material things are affected by material things
What needs to be proved is that if x is affected by something physical then that x has to be physical. — TheMadFool
Consciousness is a mental state of entangled, integrated, and unified information.
— Pop
And what is mental? — David Mo
Consciousness is what's in between all the brain stuff. Think of consciousness as the "other side", the side that is sealed off by matter in the brain. I believe the brain created a "private zone", and that's where you exist, your thoughts, feelings, emotions, perceptions (and all the other goodies).If consciousness is not strictly materialist in origin- being nothing more than a complex product of chemical reactions and electrical impulses of cells, then why can we completely alter the state of consciousness/our experience with chemicals, drugs or neurotransmitters. — Benj96
integrated and entangled information!
— Pop
I bet no one here (including me) knows what "integrated and entangled information" is. :lol: — Wheatley
Thus a rock would be conscious
— Pop
I would bet all my money that rocks are not conscious. — Wheatley
↪Pop Put what do mineralogist say about rocks? — Wheatley
I'm not a mineralogist.You will accept, I'm sure that rocks are entangled, integrated , and unified. — Pop
You make it sound like consciousness is stuff, and I don't believe that consciousness can be accurately be described as "stuff". It doesn't matter how spooky you describe the "stuff", I still don't think it is conscious.The issue is that consciousness is part of the fabric of the universe, so it should be distributed in some way throughout the universe. — Pop
You make it sound like consciousness is stuff. I don't believe that consciousness can be accurately be described as "stuff". It doesn't matter how spooky you describe the "stuff", I still don't think it is consciousness. — Wheatley
That's better. :wink:I believe humanity is part of the flora and fauna of the planet, is a complex biological system — Pop
Nothing wrong with speculation. I just get annoyed with all the spooky language, especially when many of us don't know what you mean. But sure it's just me, I don't see anyone else getting annoyed.What i posit is highly speculative, and If it dose not resonate with your understanding, i can respect that you wont believe it :) — Pop
so that consciousness does not entail content necessarily (it is possible for the theatre to be empty — bert1
For the existence of consciousness requires complex organic matter. — Vladimir Krymchakov
The philosopher said that what you can't talk about is best left unsaid.The OP isn't, it's consciousness in general. — bert1
It's consistent with two theories: — bert1
They exist, but are grounded upon a more basic and holistic form of reality, — Mickey
However limits on travel between worlds could be enforced to prevent them crossing paths or residing in the same jurisdiction/ area where they could encounter one another. — Benj96
I think if I hammered my TV is would be very painful for me. — Benj96
but in a qualitatively less injurious way and more psychologically. — Benj96
Not conscious in the way humans are - but note humanity is conscious in different ways - on a spectrum.
Animals are also conscious, but to a lesser extent. Ecologists are describing plant consciousness. — Pop
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