Maybe I'm not being fair to his analysis, I haven't gone into it. I was just recently exposed to his rants and they've been floating around my head. — Welkin Rogue
Most people — Isaac
There's always someone poorer than you, but there's always someone less poor who should be doing more. — Isaac
now I don't like BLM for many reasons — Judaka
BLM are far from the ideal group from my perspective. — Judaka
BLM is responsible for some pretty terrible things — Judaka
BLM is responsible for some pretty terrible things — Judaka
And yes, your right, some Americans are very fearful of the fact that "whites" aren't going to be a majority soon (meaning 30 years or so from now). — ssu
All they need to see is a documentary from South Africa about the crime there and think "OMG, it's going to be here THE SAME!" That's the new racism. — ssu
Because of the fact that whites at least as it is genuinely known, is that they'll lose political/social influence that they've held on for so long. The fear that they'll be the minority in the United States, — Anaxagoras
The phrase “Black Lives Matter” is a self-evident truth. — NOS4A2
The group Black Lives Matter was founded by “trained Marxists”, so hopefully we can differentiate between the phrase and the “movement”. — NOS4A2
Because of the fact that whites at least as it is genuinely known, is that they'll lose political/social influence that they've held on for so long. The fear that they'll be the minority in the United States, — Anaxagoras
I'm largely comfortably with this new generation's open-mindedness to the struggles of people of color. — Anaxagoras
Feel like giving us a source for this. — Brett
Are they fearful or open minded? I’m not sure where you’re coming from? — Brett
Racial histories, giving racial groups undue significance or irrational objectives and emotions, identity politics, so silly. — Judaka
Hmmm who are these "most people?" — Anaxagoras
There's always someone poorer than you, but there's always someone less poor who should be doing more. — Isaac
I get what you're saying here, but what does that have to do with the crux of BLM's message of systemic racism and the lack of transparency when it comes to police misconduct? — Anaxagoras
No need even for a history lecture to counter the argument, anaxagoras. To be a black farmer in South Africa is as dangerous if not more dangerous, so the statistics simply tell there is no revenge ethnic cleansing going on. The simple fact is that South Africa is a dangerous country and what better places to rob than a lone farm in the countryside separated from other population far away from any police patrol. And the USA surely isn't South Africa, just to start with how crazy these ideas are.Wow. First off let's start with apartheid and how it totally affected the black Africans. — Anaxagoras
Very well said.The bottom line is that no step in ending racism or systemic racism requires identity politics.
Identity politics just distracts from the real issues such as poverty, police brutality, the mass incarceration and so on. I think fighting racism is a bit of a game of wack-a-mole, you see it and you give it a whack.
Otherwise, most problems that affect black Americans can simply be characterised as bad policy and poverty, as you say. — Judaka
Not according to me and the rest of the 45 million or so Black Americans. My life surely didn't matter when I was walking home at night in my black hospital scrubs and some deputies decided to hop out of their car unholstering the weapon all because they thought my cargo scrub pants were "tactical." My life didn't matter when in graduate school after leaving lecture being stopped by LAPD and having my hands placed on a running car vehicle and when I protested how hot his car hood was being told "don't you people like barbecue?" Surely, BLM then wasn't evident. My life doesn't matter to a cop. They'll see my tattoos and automatically label me a gang members regardless of my education and/or clinical profession.
I would go further and say that identity politics is not just a distraction, but a deliberate way to further polarization of the political field and reinforce the status quo where bipartisanship or any kind of consensus seeking doesn't exist. Both parties encourage their own view of identy politics and welcome it with open arms. — ssu
That looks like conjecture more than fact. — Brett
but I'm not seeing the confusion over the tern 'most people' itself, I'm afraid. — Isaac
Victims of systemic racism (as a group) is exclusionary, it is not universally possible to both sympathise and be a victim in the way one can with poverty — Isaac
A couple bad experiences — NOS4A2
If the police treat you unjustly—excessive use of force, denial of constitutional rights, failure to intervene, indifference to risk of harm—you have legal recourse to sue their jack-boots off. — NOS4A2
I've listed several sources that maybe you refused to even read that verifies my position. — Anaxagoras
My apologies. I thought your quotes were what a was to read. The actual source itself is more in depth. — Brett
The question was simple who are the "most people" in the context of which you've made that comment? — Anaxagoras
We even have an excellent case study, Evergreen University. The academics produced ideologues who produced outrage that produced a culture that produced a cult. — DingoJones
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