I'm not sure what the harm is in detaining a person of interest for the legal amount of time. — ArguingWAristotleTiff
And what will it take for you to do more than watch? I'm not suggesting there is something you should or could do, because I don't know what that would be, other than by voting. But what would it take? And I'd like here to request, as your Mass. neighbor, that you give me your NH gun if you're sure you have no use for it. When it comes to the pushing and shoving, I'd like to think I could be a pusher and a shover and not just a pushee or shovee. And I can keep Churchill's dictum in mind: "You can always take one with you!"Pretty interesting to watch — Xtrix
Pretty interesting to watch
— Xtrix
And what will it take for you to do more than watch? I'm not suggesting there is something you should or could do, because I don't know what that would be, other than by voting. But what would it take? — tim wood
Oregon, being a gun friendly state that allows for open carry of firearms, I'm surprised no civilian there has decided to defend him- or herself with a gun from being kidnapped. To their credit, I suppose. — tim wood
Trump desperately wants the riots to continue, because he hasn't anything else going on than the "Law & Order" thing. — ssu
I think I would start fighting if it came to a civil war type scenario. Say Trump refuses to leave office -- I think at that point we'd have to band together against the military. That's not too far fetched anymore. — Xtrix
The problem is that they're arresting people without identifying themselves or explaining the reason for the arrest. By Oregon law they need to do that, even if they don't then charge you with anything. — Michael
I'm sure even in Arizona that the "interest" cannot be - should not be - just any old interest at the whim of the one detaining which along with his identity he keeps a secret. Collective wisdom is that police have broad powers because they need them to do their jobs. It is no wisdom at all to suppose they cannot abuse them. — tim wood
When do I get excited? Are you asking when I stand up against abuse of power? Or are you referring to the poem "First they came..." ?And when do you get excited? When the one seized disappears? Maybe by then its too late, and maybe even you're next. — tim wood
And it's odd and ironic that for all the 2d amendment talk of guns to oppose tyranny, when real tyranny appears all those tough talkers shrivel up like dicks in a cold northern ocean. — tim wood
I think I would start fighting if it came to a civil war type scenario. Say Trump refuses to leave office -- I think at that point we'd have to band together against the military. That's not too far fetched anymore. — Xtrix
Of course it is. There's no way US military will fight against US citizens. Trump isn't popular worthy the military. — Benkei
Do you know for sure that those being detained are actually being arrested and charged with a crime? Or is it assumed if a person is being detained and questioned that they are automatically charged with a crime? — ArguingWAristotleTiff
I know of through national news. And not the poem specifically, but roughly that idea. My sole contact point with you lies in yours that I quoted:Sheriff Joe Arpaio — ArguingWAristotleTiff
I'm not sure what the harm is in detaining a person of interest for the legal amount of time. — ArguingWAristotleTiff
I think I would start fighting if it came to a civil war type scenario. Say Trump refuses to leave office -- I think at that point we'd have to band together against the military. That's not too far fetched anymore.
— Xtrix
Of course it is. There's no way US military will fight against US citizens. Trump isn't popular worthy the military. — Benkei
It's not confidence in moral fibre but confidence in insufficient support for Trump among servicemen. — Benkei
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