Ask Banno for tips. He has mocking down to an art. As evidenced a couple of posts back. — apokrisis
This begs the question. You have to already assume the mind and body are separate things in order to be able to subtract the body from the mind. — darthbarracuda
What's the difference between me dead and me alive? There's a difference, right? It can't be the body since the body is, in death, as it was in life. Something gets taken away when we die and that's obviously our consciousness, our mind. So assuming a physicalist stance on the mind, if something physical gets taken away, it must have a physical effect, right? — TheMadFool
It can't be the body since the body is, in death, as it was in life. — TheMadFool
My Mind is not physical. — TheMadFool
...how does a non-physical thing interact with a physical thing? — Harry Hindu
It can't be the body since the body is, in death, as it was in life
Think first of a living dog, then of a decomposing corpse. At the moment of death, all the living processes normally studied by the biologist rapidly disintegrate. The corpse remains subject to the same laws of physics and chemistry as the live dog, but now, with the cessation of life, we see those laws strictly in their own terms, without anything the life scientist is distinctively concerned about. The dramatic change in his descriptive language as he moves between the living and the dead tells us just about everything we need to know.
No biologist who had been speaking of the behavior of the living dog will now speak in the same way of the corpse’s “behavior.” Nor will he refer to certain physical changes in the corpse as reflexes, just as he will never mention the corpse’s responses to stimuli, or the functions of its organs, or the processes of development being undergone by the decomposing tissues.
Virtually the same collection of molecules exists in the canine cells during the moments immediately before and after death. But after the fateful transition no one will any longer think of genes as being regulated, nor will anyone refer to normal or proper chromosome functioning. No molecules will be said to guide other molecules to specific targets, and no molecules will be carrying signals, which is just as well because there will be no structures recognizing signals. Code, information, and communication, in their biological sense, will have disappeared from the scientist’s vocabulary.
The corpse will not produce errors in chromosome replication or in any other processes, and neither will it attempt error correction or the repair of damaged parts. More generally, the ideas of injury and healing will be absent. Molecules will not recruit other molecules in order to achieve particular tasks. No structures will inherit features from parent structures in the way that daughter cells inherit traits or tendencies from their parents, and no one will cite the plasticity or context-dependence of the corpse’s adaptation to its environment. — Steve Talbot, The Unbearable Wholeness of Beings
Is the quantum level physical, non-physical, or something else?...how does a non-physical thing interact with a physical thing?
— Harry Hindu
At the quantum level? — Dan Cage
Nah, a dead body is not the same as a living body, it's no longer alive. — darthbarracuda
What if the mind is the brain, or vice versa? In this sense the mind weighs as much as the brain. By measuring the weight of your brain and nervous system, you are measuring the weight of your mind.
When I look at you I don't see a mind. I see a body with a brain. Does this mean that other minds don't exist?
Mind has a causal effect on the body, therefore the mind is physical. If not then how does a non-physical thing interact with a physical thing? — Harry Hindu
Mind is to the nervous system as the circulation of blood is to the circulatory system. — Daniel
I think you're forgetting energy here. Think of it this way. You can have a car with a working battery, and a car without a working battery. A "living" car is one that actively has its electricity flowing through the system to cause all the parts to work. An "unliving" car does not have these interactions.
When the brain is "on", its constantly sending chemical reactions and electricity all over the place. Matter is being lost and replaced by the food you've eaten. It is not a rock, but a battery zapping electricity around your entire body.
"the brain uses roughly 300 calories (a day)". https://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/02/science/02qna.html#:~:text=Studies%20show%20that%20it%20is,brain%20uses%20roughly%20300%20calories.
So with that, we know that there is a physical mass that is consumed each day for you to have a mind. Once the mind leaves, so does the consumption of calories. Therefore according to your premise, the mind is indeed an expression of physicality. The mind is not physical like the firewood of a campfire, it is the flame itself. — Philosophim
It is not the same, at least from a biological perspective. It can no longer grow, reproduce, or respond; and of course it decays. The possession of a mind may be one way to define life, but it is not universal one, and definitely not a physicalist one. — Radians
What's the difference between a dead body and a living body? — TheMadFool
What's the difference between a broken dishwasher and a functional dishwasher?
A dead body is one that is not alive, ya know, doing stuff that living things do. — darthbarracuda
It's not complicated, I don't think. What's the difference between a normal leg and a broken leg? One is whole, the other fractured. One holds weight, the other doesn't.
What's the difference between a living body and a dead body? A dead body by the definition of clinical death does not circulate blood or breathe. The same body can be alive one minute and dead the next, because of a change in its components. — darthbarracuda
The ceasing of circulation, respiration, and brain activity (which includes consciousness). — darthbarracuda
Circulation and respiration require the brain to function, and vice-versa. The human body is a system after all. — darthbarracuda
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