No. Acute depression (due to XYZ) or unbearable, interminable pain or both will lead some to commit suicide. The switch does not flip itself. Pessimism, however, is simply a rationalization (à la hypochondria) for coping with ineluctable frustrations (i.e. facticity). Besides, nothing seems more optimistic - leap of faith (martyrs) / folly (idealists) - than killing oneself in the hope of escaping from 'the devil one knows' to 'the devil no one can know' this side of the grave.Will pessimism eventually lead some people to suicide? — niki wonoto
And constantly reading about pessimism philosophy even reinforces how depressing this existence really is. — niki wonoto
my pessimistic outlook were perhaps mostly & originally also caused by what I've considered myself & my life to be a failure. — niki wonoto
seeing how everything makes one pessimistic, as there is not any single light/ray of hope anymore; everything is/seems hopeless, futile, meaningless, pointless, & depressing. — niki wonoto
failure doesn't actually exist in some sense, its purely subjective. — Augustusea
Will pessimism eventually lead some people to suicide? — niki wonoto
always becoming, never being — schopenhauer1
I think he has not realized there isn't anything to do actually, — Augustusea
To the degree one lowers the volume of thought becoming and suffering fade and are replaced by being. It's a mechanical problem which can be addressed by mechanical means. — Hippyhead
But I find it interesting that we are always in a position to "ameliorate" this or that in the first place. Why is it, that we we weren't "being" to begin with, but are always tinkering, dealing with, needing to fix? — schopenhauer1
how can you fight the deterministic and pessimistic nature of existence? — Augustusea
what can you do to stop that or even change it in the slightest when looking at the big picture? — Augustusea
Pain always outweighs happiness — Augustusea
Pessimism, however, is simply a rationalization (à la hypochondria) for coping with ineluctable frustrations (i.e. facticity). Besides — 180 Proof
Suffering is made of thought. Thought is just a part of your body. Learn how to better manage this part of your body. — Hippyhead
Suffering is indeed made out of the conscious of living creatures — Augustusea
Hi again Augustusea, I'm enjoying our exchanges. — Hippyhead
Again, I'm not denying the existence of suffering, which in some cases can be quite profound. I'm just not willing to make the leap from "suffering exists" to "life is suffering" in the sweeping global sense which some wish to take it to. Life includes suffering, is not equal to, life is suffering. — Hippyhead
My argument is that it would be most rational to come down off the big grand sweeping dreary philosophical cloud that people like Arthur Schopenhauer inhabit, and instead focus as clearly as we can on the problem of suffering, and what we can do about it. I'm not arguing a perfect solution is available, only that any partial solution is more rational than wringing our hands, embracing defeatism, and whining about the human condition etc. — Hippyhead
My argument is that useful solutions lie in the direction of the insight you've already had. Failure is subjective. Or to put it another way, suffering is made of thought. — Hippyhead
There are other healthier means of thought management such as meditation. Some people go fishing, or walk in the woods, the possibilities are nearly endless. — Hippyhead
The point here is that it's not rational to get all wound up in how sad life is etc until such means of addressing the suffering are fully explored. Arthur Schopenhauer is not rational, he's just a sad grumpy old man who is attempting to elevate his personal situation to a global sweeping statement. — Hippyhead
Life is suffering is like an extra simplified version of what we mean which is, that the sum of all live beings consciousness equals into suffering, or in other words, if the experiences of every mind of every being are all combined, suffering would outweigh happiness by a lot, which is not a leap and is quite reasonable, so this would mean, to live is to mainly suffer, anything else is just a side,as for happiness, it always comes from suffering of one person, therefore can be argued to actually not exist in the large scheme of things for humans. — Augustusea
suffering is not something we can do anything about — Augustusea
perfection is impossible — Augustusea
why would managing it matter? when a child is starving half the way across the globe — Augustusea
I do not see how that is not rational or illogical, to view all the good and bad in the world and weight them, — Augustusea
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