There is no reason to assume that the mind, understood as energy, is confined to the material of the brain. — Possibility
We attribute properties to conceptual ‘objects’ arbitrarily - Banno’s cup is not the only thing keeping his coffee hot, . — Possibility
and it also keeps other items hot that exist outside of the red cup. The cup casts a reflection on the shiny white table that has the property of being red, ‘occupying’ space outside of the red cup that is contingent upon the existence and redness of the cup in relation to the table and the light... — Possibility
Is the mind timeless? Does it change at all with the passage of time? Or does it always posses the same exact qualities as time progresses? — Daniel
the mind changes definetly with time, as do all physical things, it gets more complex, with more processes, more memories, and more thoughts, and even on an atomic level, its atoms will get replaced by new ones eventually — Augustusea
Ok. I might be wrong on this. Aren't time and space connected? Can they act independently of one another; as in, can something occupy a space and not be affected by time, and vice versa? If the mind is affected by time, shouldn't it also occupy a space? — Daniel
But the cup does not care because the environment's affect on the coffee are not in its properties set. — Sir2u
So if we take the relationship of the cup to its surroundings as a comparison to the mind and its relationship to its surroundings, the energy in the form of heat or reflected light can be projected from the cup and into or upon other objects we can do the same with the energy in the brain?
I cannot wait to hear your explanation of this, even though as far as I can see, it has nothing to do with the question of the mind taking up a space. — Sir2u
Is the mind affected by time? — Daniel
You said a while ago that the mind does not occupy space then say it is a physical object. Which is it? — Sir2u
Now, if something occupies a space and changes in time (possesses the quality of changing/change), isn't it physical? — Daniel
So the relationship in question is not that of the cup, but of its energy, as a comparison to the mind and its relationship to the brain and ‘surroundings’. The energy is not solely a property of the cup or the coffee, any more than the mind is solely a property of the brain or the nervous system. It exists as a property of continually changing particle relations in the variably integrated organic system, and manifests as energy events that appear to ‘occupy’ the brain and/or the nervous system depending on the measurement/observation. — Possibility
the mind is a result to a process, that process is physical, the mind is just a result of it, i.e. doesn't have to be physical, and that process in the brain does have mass, and is affected by time and space — Augustusea
but the rotation in itself is not something that has mass, it doesn't need so — Augustusea
I'd say it is obvious that our minds are constantly changing; — Daniel
but isn't the rotation confined to a space? — Daniel
No, rotation is just the result of the motor running, a property of the engine. If rotation was physical and taking up the same space as the engine there would be a big bang. — Sir2u
the disk rotating is, the actual process of rotating isn't necessarily. — Augustusea
The correct measure of the mind's physicality is its energy consumption. — apokrisis
Are these types of information also produced at the speed of light? When I ask if the mind is timeless, I ask if it is affected by change. If the mind is purely information, is it produced? What produces it? At what rate is it produced? Does this information change? Does the source of this information change? — Daniel
It exists as a property of continually changing particle relations in the variably integrated organic system, and manifests as energy events that appear to ‘occupy’ the brain and/or the nervous system depending on the measurement/observation.
— Possibility
And that is the problem being discussed, no one disagrees with the rest of it. — Sir2u
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