So if I leave the first line out of that post, do you agree with it? — Banno
Yeah, ok; I'm stuck on the bit where the reason we shouldn't use the word "privilege" because it pisses off the privileged. — Banno
"Equitable" is socialist and runs contrary to values which brought about the most free rendition of society of which humanity has yet been capable. — whollyrolling
"Equitable" is socialist and runs contrary to values which brought about the most free rendition of society of which humanity has yet been capable. — whollyrolling
In my mind though the existence of a privilege doesn't imply reparations though. — BitconnectCarlos
A white person recognising their privilege is about acknowledging how other races have it worse and so on. What's wrong with this conceptualisation? Let me start off by saying that this is an issue of framing and interpretation.
Systemic racism exists, statistics show wealth has been deeply affected by historical racism, statistics show you have better chances to be privileged as a white person than black or Hispanic. I am not arguing against these statistics. However, privilege is a warped framing with no nuance or depth, it characterises history through the oppression of groups over other groups. It is not simply saying "racism, hatred of homosexuality and sexism are wrong".
It is absolutely asking you to see individuals by the groups they belong to and in this case that is by their race, sexual orientation and gender. Which to my mind is completely fucked up, the parallels with racism and sexism are easy to make. It condemns the privileges of the advantaged groups as proceeds of a racist and sexist society. For white people would not have more if this were not true, women would be paid as much as men if this were not true... — Judaka
The benefits to recognising you have been benefited by historical racism are very hard to see. What step they are in the plan to end racism is not something that can be seen, it isn't there. All I see is the encouragement of taking note of someone's race/gender/sexual orientation and making assumptions about them, their experience and their "history". It is more about hating the rich than helping the poor.
Unnuanced, vindictive and entirely unhelpful to the struggle to end racism or sexism. Yet those who argue hide behind their intent to end racism and sexism, that's their defence of it.
What good is coming from the use of "white privilege" when it comes to ending systemic institutional racism? — Judaka
...perhaps someone here can actually give a compelling argument for why it is important for people to understand their privilege and why thinking about things in this way is important or useful? — Judaka
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