The animal I am remains alert - alive. And the reasonable man that I am more-or-less continually reaffirms his choices - as choices, even if nothing else. In these I retain (I think) freedom and thus wish to sleep only when in a state of greater inconvenience. — tim wood
That is, even if I cannot keep things always aboil, I try to keep them warm or at least above ambient temperature. — tim wood
the pragmatic everyday types that think that reading and doing menial tasks can be "Zen-like" — schopenhauer1
I think are both glossing over the fact that much of the time, sleep can either be switched out or is downright more preferable than the X task at hand. — schopenhauer1
I love sleep, but sleep is so much better after a fulfilling day. So I do not think trading being awake for being asleep is very wise, because one requires the other. And I do not think sleep is in anyway comparable to non-existence. — NOS4A2
I did really read it. I figured the gist of it, beyond the jargon and labelling, was that if you prefer sleep to being awake you would probably prefer non-existence to existence, as if they were in some way comparable. — NOS4A2
Ah, that's what you got out of it- a debate on the ontology of sleep vs. non-existence. Yes we all know they are not the same thing. Doesn't mean that not being conscious the waking-kind-of-way is not the gist here.
I got out of it a bad argument for antinatalism, or “never being born being optimal”, which you stated before you started playing “would you rather” with sleep. — NOS4A2
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The animal I am remains alert - alive. And the reasonable man that I am more-or-less continually reaffirms his choices - as choices, even if nothing else. In these I retain (I think) freedom and thus wish to sleep only when in a state of greater inconvenience. That is, even if I cannot keep things always aboil, I try to keep them warm or at least above ambient temperature. — tim wood
Can we divorce the preference for sleeping from the pleasure of waking up feeling refreshed? Or the comfort of snuggling up in bed while trying to go to sleep? — Judaka
1) There are a lot of de facto things in the context of living in any given human social system. I'd rather be sleeping than clothes shopping or grocery shopping. I'd rather be sleeping than working on various spreadsheets or reading technical material that isn't interesting but necessary. I'd rather be sleeping than doing a lot of various tasks throughout the day big and small. — schopenhauer1
Computers are fun. Would you rather keep track with pen and paper meticulously jotting everything down letter by letter and hand-delivering it? — Outlander
Oh shit, you guys are right! Why didnt I just ponder the wonders of modern technology to get me through! I see the errors of my ways, and now I rather do everything!! Its all changed! Its a whiole new world. — schopenhauer1
Should suicide be made more accessible and easy?
I think it should be. Interested in what you think. — Frank Apisa
Here is a question for you Frank. What happened if everyone thought like a Philosophical Pessimist? How would that change how the world operates? Or would it? Would the reality of the situation still be that people would simply slog on in their dealings with and move forward the same the same the same as it ever was. — schopenhauer1
If throughout the regular course of the day, you would rather be non-existent/asleep/unconscious than doing that particular task/chore/thing-at-hand, then it was better never having been for those moments. If those moments add up to a majority of the day, it may be the case that it was better never to have been more generally. Similarly, if what you are doing is neutral to the point where you would not mind switching out the task-at-hand for sleeping, that also counts for this argument. — schopenhauer1
There is nothing it is like to be asleep. There is only what it is like to be around sleep (ex. drowsie awareness, warm under the covers, thinking about preferences in a bed, feeling rested). — Nils Loc
But sleeping as much as I theoretically could would result in a near "work-sleep-work" cycle. And that kind of existence would seem horrible. — Heiko
Why would I feel the need to compensate for the work-time by doing other things (awake) if switching the "superfluous" wake time for sleep would really be ok?
So what do you mean with your question? The real "implicit" judgement or the imagination? — Heiko
Sleeping is essential to life like water. There's a reason the. Brain goes into sleep deprecation debt for months for those who lack adequate sleep. All of us would rather be doing x than y in most cases if given unlimited options. — Bright7
The imagination. Clearly just sleeping would result in eventual death if enacted. The point is rather, how much of normal waking days would you not mind replacing with sleep instead of having to do them? If it is neutral or negative, and you switched those out, how much of the day would be that? — schopenhauer1
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