The truth can be arranged... — Judaka
It is not a flaw, it is an unavoidable consequence of intelligence, that you are able to arrange truths, interpret them and argue the meaning of what you've brought forward is an amazing thing. And it cannot be contested by truth alone. — Judaka
. Even without ever disagreeing on what is true, you can arrive at a near infinite number of different conclusions — Judaka
How many relevant interpretations can there be of "Some people like petting cats."? If it is a mere fact, what can be disagreed upon regarding it without adding irrelevant detail through the interpretation? — fdrake
I don't know precisely what you mean but it probably is scepticism, to some extent, what I've written, I believe it is the bedrock of nihilism. I don't know, you are baiting me into heavily derailing my own thread here. — Judaka
So such a hard wedge between fact and interpretation; even if true in principle, is useless in the practice of reasoning about things. Except as a selectively applied powerful acid. — fdrake
I agree that the conclusion of arranging truths, interpreting them and arguing their meaning can be contested by a true statement. I made an error in my last comment because I didn't read yours correctly. The "truth" here is referring to the literal state of things being true, if you think my language is confusing then I welcome suggestions on what you would have done differently. — Judaka
I am not entirely convinced that if you paraphrased the position you are arguing against that it would describe my position. — Judaka
I don't mean that just as snark. The point of saying it is that an intellectual commitment to nihilism that severs facts from interpretations is like a powerful acid. You can use it to destroy whatever you choose to, but as the above shows you can't function without the fungibility of facts and interpretations. You have to act as if the world is how you interpret it - that's what it means to hold beliefs about it. — fdrake
Can it be the effectiveness of one’s arrangement? If I understand you correctly, when one expresses her positions, views, or perspectives, the implicit ‘arrangement of truth’ has been inevitably involved. It brings many opportunities to disagree, oppose, contradict, or challenge the conclusion or the final statement. Yet, if the object of consideration is notEven without ever disagreeing on what is true, you can arrive at a near infinite number of different conclusions by arranging the facts differently. Thus the question becomes, how do I judge a good conclusion from a bad one. — Judaka
Are you sure you want to accuse me of a fallacy? Those definitions I have given are pretty standard, truth and truths are different words. — Judaka
Those definitions I have given are pretty standard — Judaka
What it means for something to be true is separate from the actual truth itself. — Judaka
The "truth" here is referring to the literal state of things being true — Judaka
Those definitions I have given are pretty standard — Judaka
What it means for something to be true is separate from the actual truth itself — Judaka
I want to point out to what looks like one of your central presuppositions:What it means for something to be true is separate from the actual truth itself. We can reasonably disagree on the interpretation without disagreeing on the fact. — Judaka
The point of saying it is that an intellectual commitment to nihilism that severs facts from interpretations is like a powerful acid.
So such a hard wedge between fact and interpretation; even if true in principle, is useless in the practice of reasoning about things. Except as a selectively applied powerful acid. — fdrake
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