What makes people from wealthy, academical background lean left? — Ansiktsburk
How do I include the actual text when replying? Using Ipad — Ansiktsburk
I think the access to academics is a big part. If your worldview expands beyond yourself and you start to think in terms of benefiting the system that all are a part of instead of only benefiting yourself or your family, you start to move in a socialist direction. — Pro Hominem
Like this for example. This person is only concerned with their own welfare, and not that of the people around them. — Pro Hominem
Easy. He or she has a heart. He or she is an empathetic being, who feels the pain of others, and wants to stop it for them. — god must be atheist
Thats not what it seems to me, reading eg the FB posts from my friends in the academic left. Its more like just that "collective empaty". There is seldom a solution to a complex question. Refugees -"just let them come, no limitations, we have to open our hearts". CO2 emissions - "We have to find a new lifestyle". And this is from otherwise highly intelligent persons that for most other questions can acknowledge a problem as difficult and take part in a solution.So it's not about empathy, at the root of it. Honestly speaking, it's about commitment to an idea or a principle. It's about solving an idea. Solving a problem. Lets leave empathy out of it. — BitconnectCarlos
Somewhere along the line my thinking become more bottom-up. Instead of thinking about vast systemic changes to eliminate poverty, I started studying personal finance and decisions which could be made on an individual level. — BitconnectCarlos
And I hate to say it but maybe some people are actually directly responsible for their own poverty and routinely choose materialism and status over long term financially health, and they know it. — BitconnectCarlos
Thats not what it seems to me, reading eg the FB posts from my friends in the academic left. Its more like just that "collective empaty". — Ansiktsburk
This is what the American constitution says: "...in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity."
Without some kind of government it would be exceedingly unlikely that you would secure any of these things.
— JerseyFlight
What if an individual isn't interested in securing those things? Under the current system they are simply forced to pay for them anyways! — Tzeentch
You’re not interested in those things? You’d prefer to not pay taxes and live in a society where everything is privately owned? — praxis
In a world like that you’d still have to pay for travel, security, and everything else. — praxis
I just kind of feel bad because you're clearly ideologically possessed. — BitconnectCarlos
I am wondering how one justifies that a person who is not interested in the things a state (supposedly) provides, nor is interested in having those things provided to him by a state, is still forced to pay for them. — Tzeentch
Oh, I am concerned with the welfare of people around me. I just don't believe such concern should be forced upon me or anyone else through government. — Tzeentch
Socialists want to spend other people's money because they think they know best. That's a statement of fact. If you don't understand why that is arrogant, you're ignorant. — Tzeentch
Then there's the quintessential bid for moral superiority, which I interpret as terribly selfrighteous. — Tzeentch
You stand in opposition to ideas like everyone having access to medical care, every child having equal access to a useful education, ordinary people being protected from the poisoning of their food and environment by uncaring corporations — Pro Hominem
Thats not what it seems to me, reading eg the FB posts from my friends in the academic left. Its more like just that "collective empaty". There is seldom a solution to a complex question. Refugees -"just let them come, no limitations, we have to open our hearts". CO2 emissions - "We have to find a new lifestyle". And this is from otherwise highly intelligent persons that for most other questions can acknowledge a problem as difficult and take part in a solution — Ansiktsburk
They'd just have to contribute to the welfare of people around them, even though they don't want to or don't care to do so. — Ciceronianus the White
Someone who's concerned about socialism is concerned about his/her money and property being used, by government, for someone else's welfare. — Ciceronianus the White
The real irony here, my friend, is that this fella is a beneficiary of government, and more importantly, he is not going to walk away from it any time soon. I mean, he can flee to the mountains with his anarchist gang and they can all be free, but they had better not be leeching off society in any way if they want to remain consistent with their principles. — JerseyFlight
You stand in opposition to ideas like everyone having access to medical care, every child having equal access to a useful education, ordinary people being protected from the poisoning of their food and environment by uncaring corporations, and levying higher taxes against people who are struggling to make ends meet than against people with access to many billions of dollars. — Pro Hominem
I didn't have to bid for moral superiority. — Pro Hominem
When it seems useful to me, sure. — Tzeentch
This is, of course, the equivalent of telling an immigrant to go back to their home country — Tzeentch
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