[...] which the current socialists and leftists claim as the feats of their ideology, were also accomplished by the effort of Christianity. It must be really desperate to know that by deconstructing the Christian faith, you end up deconstructing yourself... — Gus Lamarch
historical revisionism that favors your tantrum against Christianity — Gus Lamarch
I want to believe (in the sense of "belief"). I don't contradict truth — Gregory
Luther — Gregory
What about Leo X's decree against Luther? Are we to burn heretics to death like it suggests? — Gregory
'You mean a real, concrete absolute, verifiable just like the moon? Or do you mean that humans believed that God was absolute? — JerseyFlight
[Nihilism] Preconditioned by what?' — JerseyFlight
By the way, if Christianity is the divine moral go-to, then why didn't the Bible say "slavery bad, don't"? — jorndoe
What's with the "socialists and leftists" anyway? — jorndoe
do the right thing in any case (even if not going by the Bible as the definition)? — jorndoe
the Stoic philosopher Seneca writes unapologetically: "Unnatural progeny we destroy; we drown even children who at birth are weakly and abnormal... And whilst there were deviations from these views..., it is probably correct to say that such practices...were less proscribed in ancient times. Most historians of western morals agree that the rise of ...Christianity contributed greatly to the general feeling that human life is valuable and worthy of respect." — Gus Lamarch
The Bible does say things about slavery, Gus Lamarch, just not the right thing.
What about mentioned discrimination, females, gay folk too? Just how much can be justified by a Bible reading should someone be intent on that?
The Bible does not define morals (many seem to pick-and-choose anyway).
You don't "follow" (to use your word), you develop autonomous moral agency (if you justifiably want to be/remain an autonomous actor at least).
But, hey, I certainly prefer this consequence over this/this. — jorndoe
You're not really claiming this is quote from Seneca, are you? I know that Christianity borrowed assiduously from the Stoics and other pagan philosophers in trying to create a intellectual basis for itself, but to claim he wrote this about Christianity is excessive even for those ever-acquisitive early Christians. — Ciceronianus the White
You're not really claiming this is quote from Seneca, are you? — Ciceronianus the White
Christianity is as brutal as Islam. — Gregory
And yet, here you are, living on the world it helped build... — Gus Lamarch
I'll try to summarize my point in the best possible way:
- Christianity is the basis of all western civilization today, and every advance, progress, freedom achieved, is thanks to the weakening of the dogmas of this same religion - secularism -. However, this same secularism decays - thanks to nihilism - and eventually causes this same society to collapse. To avoid this collapse, a rational belief in Christianity would be necessary, however - as this is practically impossible to achieve -, I opt for conscious-unconscious belief on the christian faith - if it worked for a 1000 years for europe, it should - in theory - work for us -. If you don't believe in Christianity, at least pretend to do so to legitimize your values, morals, and purposes. — Gus Lamarch
I'm not going to pretend to be Jesus's spouse to please you — Gregory
God - in my view - had been the totality of the absolute for society because it was a human interpretation what they could be in transcendence - allpowerful, omnipresent, and omniscient, in total, "being" - . Not something physical, real, intrinsically existing in the factory of the Universe. We are talking about concepts, which, in short, are already abstract. — Gus Lamarch
What is the best alternative to Christianity then? If you tell me something that better deals with the concept of individual freedom, values and morals of what is good and bad; I convert- in the case of being a religion - or begin to followMa - in the case, of being an ideology -. — Gus Lamarch
"Christianity formed a new standard, higher than any which then existed in the world...The justice teachings of Jesus are closely related to a commitment to life's sanctity..."
Duffy, Eamon (1997). Saints & Sinners: A History of the Popes. — Gus Lamarch
In my opinion yours is the last or close to the last word that's reasonable, all else unreasonable. — tim wood
As to a better or a best alternative, maybe, maybe, that's the home-made, home brewed set of beliefs, maybe a synthesis/distillation of the familiar. To aver Christianity best available, over and above familiarity, calls for a knowledge of other belief systems. Perhaps the best has come and gone. I suspect there are treasures to be had in native North American Indian beliefs - but where would a person easily find out? — tim wood
If there is such a higher standard, it's likely there has never been one so blithely ignored in all of our sad history, and by avowed Christians too. — Ciceronianus the White
When religion, in this case, Christianity — JerseyFlight
Christianity unity is simply not going to happen since Islam is invading the West quietly, subtlety, and under the protection of liberalism. — Gregory
how to make it legitimate while everyone who follows it - in a time like ours - in most cases will be aware that it is all the result of a metaphysical construction. — Gus Lamarch
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