That's not how I was using the word duty, perhaps I should have said ought to.I wouldn't say that, because duty implies conflict and division. But in this field, if one does not live according to one's understanding, then one hasn't really understood.
Should these wise folk lift a finger, or just sit there and descend into hell with the rest of them? — Punshhh
I would take issue with your conclusion. — Punshhh
Then Jesus told his disciples, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. — Matthew16:24
In the pursuit of learning, every day something is acquired.
In the pursuit of Tao, every day something is dropped.
Less and less is done
Until non-action is achieved.
When nothing is done, nothing is left undone.
The world is ruled by letting things take their course.
It cannot be ruled by interfering. — Tao Te Ching 48
Man cannot come to it through any organization, through any creed, through any dogma, priest or ritual, not through any philosophical knowledge or psychological technique. He has to find it through the mirror of relationship, through the understanding of the contents of his own mind, through observation and not through intellectual analysis or introspective dissection. — Krishnamurti
Man cannot come to it through any organization, through any creed, through any dogma, priest or ritual, not through any philosophical knowledge or psychological technique. He has to find it through the mirror of relationship, through the understanding of the contents of his own mind, through observation and not through intellectual analysis or introspective dissection. — Krishnamurti
Do you think we need to do something in the meantime, or just 'wait patiently'? Does studying help? — unenlightened
Yes, it is an unpopular message, and always has been.
But if humanity is left to go down, the majority will be going down. It seems inefficient to me, when just one person lifting a finger could reverse this.Everyone wants to go up, and no one wants to go down.
Nicely put. I would add the idea that it's not just the thinking that causes the psychic hunger in this analogy, but the development of an ego within the personality of the person. This ego requires nourishment as well and tying to the post (discipline) of a reasonable and humble being.But the solutions to psychic hunger aren't perfect or permanent. When we're physically hungry we eat something. And then we have to eat again in a few hours. This goes on our entire life, the need to eat never ends. And so addressing physical hunger, and psychic hunger, isn't a glamorous business but instead just routine maintenance of a bodily function.
Because the readily available solution isn't glamorous, philosophers will likely lose all interest and continue on their becoming trips, to where they already are.
Yes, compassion for all beings. Bhuddists strive not to harm any other being, indeed, to help, where they can. In Hinduism, each person seeks to teach and/or spread compassion and wisdom. In Christianity, the redemption, or saving of humanity is more explicit. This implies the helping, the guidance of our fellow man. To bring forth heaven on Earth.Yes,I would agree that Jesus and other masters, even if the idea of ascension is a myth, would certainly wish to help others as compassion was a central message of these teachings.
You are confusing the teaching that in order to progress towards personal enlightenmet one must withdraw from the world and find the answer/route internally. — Punshhh
It is implicit in the instruction given in the quotes from phrophets you have provided.What did I say about withdrawing from the world? I missed it.
Yes, I agree. Well, are you going to lift a finger, or shall I?We could sort all that out for everyone in a year or less. It is a trivial logistical problem of redistributing resources.
Is the plight of humanity of any importance to these prophets? Or is it an irrelevance, because it is a natural process, or something? These are interesting questions. — Punshhh
Yes, that is quite an obstacle. Which is why I said that they might not have an interest, because it is humanity's problem, that they let things take their course.Humanity has only one problem and that is humanity.
I don't think you can conclude this. The main problem, at the moment is not things like feeding the poor etc. But our systems of political control and the quality of the people in those roles are more of a problem. Anyway, things don't have to be this way and people might initiate change in a more constructive direction, so if the right person gets into the right position they can make considerable changes in the fate of humanity.but it is an internal problem and a great leader can only make it worse.
do agree with you that philosophy is esoteric in itself and it does contain many puzzles.
I will continue walking in the mazes of my soapbox opera of a life and maybe you will write your futuristic novel. At some point I want to write a novel, possibly of the steampunk genre.
Perhaps the esoteric matter of philosophy can be expressed better in fiction and a lot of philosophers have written fiction as well as non fiction — Jack Cummins
I don't think you can conclude this. The main problem, at the moment is not things like feeding the poor etc. But our systems of political control and the quality of the people in those roles are more of a problem. — Punshhh
So if Sargent Bilko became president that would be good for the world because he is a reflection of a part of humanity? You are essentially saying that we've got the governance we deserve. Like the president of Belarus for example. Or the German people were crying out for someone like Hitler at the beginning of the 20th Century.
Well if you are not hungry, then hunger is not a problem for you. But it is quite a big problem for a lot of people. But the people in leadership roles is a reflection of the nature of humanity. No one can lead without having followers.
Its like we're on a race to the bottom.Everyone agrees about one thing - "it's not my fault". Unfortunately everyone is wrong about that.
If it was an external problem, a great leader would solve it, and we wouldn't have to change, but it is an internal problem and a great leader can only make it worse. — unenlightened
The one thing we know for sure from thousands of years of experience is that sitting with the guru under the pear tree isn't a sufficiently scalable solution.
I don't see how anything you are saying is addressing the issue I am raising. — Punshhh
The one thing we know for sure from thousands of years of experience is that sitting with the guru under the pear tree isn't a sufficiently scalable solution. — Hippyhead
I been double-crossed now
For the very last time and now I'm finally free
I kissed goodbye the howling beast
On the borderline which separated you from me
You'll never know the hurt I suffered
Nor the pain I rise above
And I'll never know the same about you
Your holiness or your kind of love
And it makes me feel so sorry
Idiot wind
Blowing through the buttons of our coats
Blowing through the letters that we wrote
Idiot wind
Blowing through the dust upon our shelves
We're idiots, babe
It's a wonder we can even feed ourselves. — Bob Dylan
"It's a wonder we can even feed ourselves"
- Bob Dylan.
So it's a race to the bottom then. Krishnamurti would be turning in his grave.
Everyone wants to go up, and no one wants to go down. — unenlightened
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