For example ... I never even knew what ejaculation was until I was 12, when I accidentally found out and got scared >:O and then researched online to see what the hell had actually happened! Then I tried to do it again and make it happen out of curiosity. Then I started to research and investigate these matters, and then got into pornography etc. — Agustino
Heh, even 2000s internet was good! 2017 is more about social media than research and so forth. Back then the internet was quite solitary from what I remember. As in, you'd read and research stuff but that's about it. Few of the communication features were there - they started to appear around 2004/5. Even games, at least for me, were hard to find (and expensive), I had to go to PC cafes to play. Nowadays, almost no one goes to PC cafes - which is quite sad, they were good places for socialising.had access to the 2017 internet — Bitter Crank
Yeah but PC cafes were different, because it was literarily computer next to computer, and everyone talked with everyone, they played multiplayer games one against each other, and so forth - it gathered people who were interested to do the same things. Nowadays they go sit in a coffee place like Starbucks or whatever with a laptop and surf the net - but you see the place is set up in order to keep them isolated (they are only connected via social media), it's hard to approach someone in that environment with separate tables, and so forth. People sitting with a laptop certainly look like they don't want to be disturbed - as in they want to be amongst people, and yet be far from them too.I see all sorts of people sitting in coffee shops with a screen in front of them, but they don't socialize. It strikes me as dysfunctional. It's a way of being "less alone" I suppose. — Bitter Crank
So, you're OK with bestiality then? — John
Do you intend to communicate by typing on a keyboard? If you do, then why do you intend to communicate? Because you think this is good. — Agustino
You don't OBSERVE right and wrong, you judge things to be right and wrong. You observe facts - for example the color of leaves of the tree out your window. — Agustino
My judgement tells me. — Agustino
Actually no, because the faculty of judgement =/ reason in the way I've been using it. Reason is the way we function - we do things for certain reasons. That's what rationality is - a creature is rational if it holds reasons for doing X and Y. — Agustino
Yep, we judge it to be wrong. But this isn't to say our judgements can be objective. — Agustino
If I judge it to be wrong, I clearly am not using reason to do it. — Agustino
Differences in judgement are not differences of reason. — Agustino
Desire is innate and is not a choice, nor can it be eradicated — Emptyheady
at best suppressed with some nasty unforeseen side effects. — Emptyheady
This is why I think Buddhism is fundamentally mistaken and numbing yourself leads to alienation. — Emptyheady
I believe in two personal virtues, ambition and discipline.
Hume was on the right track when he said: "Reason is, and ought only to be the slave of the passions, and can never pretend to any other office than to serve and obey them." — Emptyheady
Pinker — Emptyheady
People sitting with a laptop certainly look like they don't want to be disturbed - as in they want to be amongst people, and yet be far from them too. — Agustino
but you see the place is set up in order to keep them isolated — Agustino
dafuq? — Heister Eggcart
Fucking bitches"...a bitch is a female canine, no? :s — John
What my readings in philosophy have taught me, meaning where I'm coming from, is that unfulfilled wants and desires cause suffering and anguish, which in turn lead to other undesirable emotions. I don't think there's much controversy over that.
As a constantly aspiring Stoic, I feel compelled to listen to my brethren Christians and not indulge in the pleasurable aspects of life. Please understand that I have nothing against people who indulge in pleasures and such matters. However, I hold people who can master their desires and wants in higher regard to those who do not... and the history of philosophy and religion would stand with me in that value of self-mastery. — Question
Having said that, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. If you find celibacy works for you, then it works, and no amount of psychological theorizing can make it wrong. — Baden
Unfulfilled wants and desires cause suffering.
I feel compelled to not indulge in the pleasurable aspects of life.
Therefore I suffer. — unenlightened
The proof of the pudding is that there is something wrong; one does not need to theorise, merely read the 19 pages of anguish, aggression, fear, ignorance, and naked suffering already presented. — unenlightened
↪unenlightened And guess what, unenlightened is against what he terms "patrilineal societies" and for "matriarchal societies" - as if matriarchal societies weren't equally constructs. The facts are that nobility, kingship, etc. are values - at least for some. And as I have said, this conflict will be never-ending as the two sides cannot live together. All that is left for us to do, is for all of us to head in the political arena and fight. — Agustino
The real fact is that your so called analysis tells us absolutely nothing. What have we found out? There are societies which have these set of values, and there are societies which have a different set of values. — Agustino
I wouldn't even bother to call these 3 people tribes "societies". The only relevant link there was India, and trust me, if you speak with Indians you'll see that Indian society is largely very conservative.they have started to answer the op's question about other societies — unenlightened
So? This does nothing to settle the question which are the right values. If you're going to say something about that (matrilineal values are right) then i may have some beef with you, otherwise what you're saying is insignificant for me, and quite trivial.Other people have found out how the structure of society produces its values — unenlightened
No the conflict has always existed - just have a read about Cato the Elder for example, or Baghdad at the height of the Islamic caliphate.They may also have started to see how changes in the structure of western society in the last century have led to a current conflict between 'old fashioned' and 'modern' value — unenlightened
Unfulfilled wants and desires cause suffering. — unenlightened
No the conflict has always existed - just have a read about Cato the Elder for example, or Baghdad at the height of the Islamic caliphate. — Agustino
To a great extent, the conflict is inherent in patrilineal and particularly aristocratic and capitalist societies, but it has become more open starting with WW1. — unenlightened
Any developed society is by essence patrilineal in your definition, because such virtues are needed to build a robust, self-perpetuating and strong society. You'll pretty much only have savages which organise themselves in matrilineal ways. — Agustino
Myers, Peter (November 23, 2001). "Aryan Invasions – Luigi Luca Cavalli-Sforza, Colin Renfew, Marija Gimbutas and Martin Bernal on the Indo-European invasions and the earlier Goddess cultures". Neither Aryan Nor Jew. Retrieved 10 March 2014. Traces of matrilineal practices have been found in recent centuries in peripheral areas of the west and north of Europe, and in the Aegean islands. In a number of islands, including Lesbos, Lemnos, Naxos, and Kos, matrilineal succession to real property was the rule at the end of the 18th century A.D. The facts were reported by an English traveller, John Hawkins, who wrote: "In the large number of the islands, the eldest daughter takes as her inheritance a portion of the family house, together with its furniture, and one third of the share of the maternal property, which in reality in most of these cases constitutes the chief means of subsistence; the other daughters, when they marry off in succession, are likewise entitled to (a portion of) the family house and the same share of whatever property remains. These observations were applicable to the islands of Mytilin (Lesbos), Lemnos, Scopelo, Skyros, Syra, Zea Ipsera, Myconi, Paros, Naxia, Siphno, Santorini and Cos, where I have either collected my information in person or had obtained it through others."
The premises of the argument are taken from the quoted post by question. It isn't a position I hold myself. — unenlightened
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