It is usually regarded as being as bad or worse than acts such as rape, mutilation, putting a hot poker on someone’s chest, and long term imprisonment. — TheHedoMinimalist
By what standard have they succeeded — TheHedoMinimalist
My understanding is that your primary concern is that a more lax attitude towards murder will be instrumental in promoting the prevalence of vigilante justice and revenge — TheHedoMinimalist
a father should be more willing to engage in vigilante justice if the rapist of his daughter receives a light punishment then if the murderer of his daughter receives a light punishment — TheHedoMinimalist
a father should be more willing to engage in vigilante justice if the rapist of his daughter receives a light punishment then if the murderer of his daughter receives a light punishment — TheHedoMinimalist
I just think it’s not as bad as significant forms of torture — TheHedoMinimalist
Society is the system and it has many system effects. Most dangerous are psychological changes and attitude to death. That's why many topics are just forbidden for public discussions (at least our country has some). I don't think that it's too hard to see possible consequences of such changes. At least fast growth is incompatible with instability that can be caused by ability of people to kill easily. — Skeptic
Otherwise you will left possibility fo rapist to kill his victim in a court to mitigate the punishment... — Skeptic
Imagine you have been raped by a big guy who overpowered you and, your know, invaded your intimacy. Suppose he let you live rather than kill you afterward. Let's further assume that it was quite painful for you. Months or years later, he's been caught by the cops and you are attending his trial. So you are given the following alternative, as in the above conversation: either you live and ensure that your rapist is punished harshly, or you allow him to kill you right there in the courtroom, so that his sentence would be lightened.I have not considered that possibility. That would kind of be a convenient way to get your prison sentence reduced for raping someone in a world where murder is punished less — TheHedoMinimalist
Would you say that this is one of the biggest global concerns around there being more lax attitudes towards murder? — TheHedoMinimalist
all of these griefs have the potential to resolve themselves into something better — Philosophim
I have only one question after reading your arguments, why does euthanasia exist in this world? Maybe your missed something? — Skeptic
In a bit more real world scenario I would rather said that a live person can be useful for society even in case of serious injury. — Skeptic
The next level of reasoning is the political instability. Protests may look very different in case of different mentality... and so on, with the serious degradation or even extinction at the end. — Skeptic
Actually it worth mention that we are on the middle of the humanization process. It means that things will change seriously later on. For example, right now, nonlethal harm is gaining more and more criminal weight. — Skeptic
I just tried to show that there are many different cases and not all of them have the potential to resolve themselves into something better. And it looks like your arguments missed such cases completely. — Skeptic
I would probably would go on disabilities and avoid working — TheHedoMinimalist
Do you mean to say that protests would become more lethal if we had a more lax attitude towards murder? — TheHedoMinimalist
he would probably get charged with both rape and murder. — TheHedoMinimalist
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