To me, it may imply that if something terrible happens the event can all be traced back to your parents for being responsible since they brought you here in the first place. — Albero
I think biting that bullet is fair, but I’m part of the more stoic camp that whatever is justified or unjustified in my life is dependant on my judgements alone. — Albero
poor decisions are part of the process of being human, and that people will make them is part of the inevitable suffering of existence — schopenhauer1
I’m sure what you mean in that last bit there, if I came across as rude I apologize. After reading your response, I think I can agree to an extent since I understand what you meant better. I’d have to agree that we do tend to have a rosy view on our species when it comes to decision making. We can barely get our shit together in this pandemic that’s going on thanks to the god awful planning. The United States is pretty much a complete disaster, and climate chaos is starting to rear its ugly head. Unfortunately, one man’s horrible decision is another man’s lucky strike (the Trump supporters seem to be pretty chipper despite fascism being seen as a pretty bad idea) — Albero
But why should I not feel responsible for this poor decision just because it's a certainty that some of the decisions I make in my life will be poor ones? If, in this specific case, I could have acted otherwise, I'm responsible, whether it goes in the good-decision bucket or the poor-decision bucket. — Srap Tasmaner
If, up to this point in my life, I have only made good decisions, whether I now make a good decision or a poor decision will determine whether I have made only good decisions or not, but that is not the choice I face. Responsibility doesn't simply attach to the conjunction of all my decisions, but to each according to the circumstances and my capacity to act freely in each case. — Srap Tasmaner
Suffering can be brought about from contingent external forces or our own detrimental decisions. The origin of the suffering doesn't negate the suffering and certainly doesn't make one more justified — schopenhauer1
It's like if I threw you in a game and you didn't ask to play it, can't escape — schopenhauer1
I agree, of course, that suffering is suffering, no matter the origin; I'm just not convinced there's a common sense view that it's different if you brought it on yourself. That looks to me like assessing responsibility, nothing more. It's even perfectly consistent to say, "It's a damn shame what he's going through, but he brought it on himself." — Srap Tasmaner
I guess the price of being a human born in existence right? — schopenhauer1
They are claiming that if you just made better decisions you wouldnt be so bad. — schopenhauer1
I'm still not sure I understand what you're arguing for or against. — Srap Tasmaner
Is someone claiming that the pain and distress of being born is justified because the fetus chose to be born? — Srap Tasmaner
Isn’t all pain and distress a result of being born? Because it seems to me like you’re saying all pain and distress is unjustified. — khaled
Let's say you decided you made a decision that was much more detrimental. It can go on and on. — schopenhauer1
Have you ever heard a teenager complain "I never asked to be born!" when asked by their parents to carry out some chore? Schop has unfortunately found a medium for dragging this pubescent whine into four and a half thousand posts. — Isaac
I think your observation that everyone makes mistakes is a reasonable founding principle for a society that is more supportive and even forgiving. — Srap Tasmaner
Isn’t all pain and distress a result of being born? Because it seems to me like you’re saying all pain and distress is unjustified. — khaled
It's like the analogy you give about being thrown into a game you didn't ask for and perhaps can't play well (for a variety of reasons). Except this game is inescapable. Poor decisions are part of the ecological landscape of being born at all, just like natural disasters. — schopenhauer1
I (and others) have provided 'good' arguments against the kind if crap you're peddling already - many times over. You just ignore them and start another tiresome thread on exactly the same fucking topic, again. It's like you're recruiting and that pisses me off. Teenagers have a high enough suicide rate as it is without being exposed to "you're better off not being alive" death cults masquerading as philosophy. — Isaac
Playing the role of concerned mother at a PTA meeting, isn't philosophy. — schopenhauer1
Make an argument or don't. — schopenhauer1
It's not meant for any demographic to commit suicide to anymore than any other philosophy or art or form of communication that may convey negative views of existence. — schopenhauer1
If I see the world as a dark and cruel place where I suffer no matter what I do I won't do anything, which will only confirm my paranoia. So I choose to not think that way. It is the only way to play the game well now that I'm stuck in it. However that doesn't justify me forcing other people to play just because I found a way to make the game bearable which may or may not work for them. — khaled
Nor would I claim it is, that detracts neither from the point I made nor the justification for posting it. If you'd have posted neo-Nazi propaganda I would have responded likewise with a non-philosophical opposition. — Isaac
It's already been made, yet you persist, are you suggesting that your previous (I'm going to go with hundreds) of posts on the subject have gone uncontested? An argument with which you do not agree doesn't cease to be an argument simply by virtue of your disapproval. — Isaac
It's not your intentions I'm imputing it's your presentation of genocide as a solution to teenage angst. — Isaac
It advocates no discrimination, harm, or violence on any particular group of people. — schopenhauer1
If you are implying it's causing teen suicide, that seems a straw man you pulled out of your ass. — schopenhauer1
to dispute these commonly held notions and to chip away at them. It is also to present things people might not consider. — schopenhauer1
If real:
A) Genocide is not passively not having children.
B) Solution to suffering isn't a solution to teenage angst. — schopenhauer1
My main point is that people often view suffering as external, and exclude suffering made by oneself through poor decision-making. — schopenhauer1
a cult advocating that non-existence is the only way to avoid suffering — Isaac
If I were to strongly advocate that immigrants should be steralised and imprisoned, do you think I can really wash my hands of any violence against immigrants which then ensues by claiming "well, I never actually advocated violence"? — Isaac
arguing that all human life is worse less than nothing. — Isaac
sanctity of human life — Isaac
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