I dropped my absentee ballot for Biden-Harris this morning. Came home, showered vigorously, made lunch, and for the last 4 or so hours I've indulged in a hard bop happy hour while watching restless Atlanta grind on toward an unspectacular overcast evening. We're all fatigued senseless; but in 8 days, at least, timely results from Florida, North Carolina & Arizona (& maybe Pennsylvania) will bring the beginning of the end of this MAGA dumpster-fire shitshow on election night.

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Nah, the real work starts in November, when Trump is assured out and the grassroots pressure begins. No reliance on corrupt centrists figuring things out.

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You say fair enough and that you're not shooting at me but nevertheless your comment was a reaction to something I said...

The first article is a summary of Biden's record, the second article is by the same author on why voting for Biden is nevertheless necessary to take out Trump.

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2020/03/democrats-you-really-do-not-want-to-nominate-joe-biden

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2020/08/an-ineffectual-biden-presidency-is-better-for-the-left-than-an-actively-authoritarian-trump-presidency

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You can click on the links and open them up as I'm doing right now. None are Fox News, or Fox News-like sources. I suggest trying to click on them and reading some of them.

Could Kamala Harris be a potential VP pick for Biden? — 0 thru 9

Whoa, you should go in to the consulting biz!

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There are literally videos linked to in the article with Biden in his own words confirming the article's claims. And you're shouting 'fake news'. You are the exact mirror image of the Trumpers.

My point is this: people don't like Biden, but there is little or no substance. The expression used to be, "Where's the beef?" No one seems to have any. — tim wood

It seems reasonable to question some of Biden's decisions, or any politician's decisions. If anyone wishes to that on a philosophy forum it would be even more reasonable to start a thread which challenges one particular decision in some careful detail.

Don't like his Iraq war vote? Ok, let's go in to that step by step.

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I dropped my absentee ballot for Biden-Harris this morning. Came home, showered vigorously, made lunch, and for the last 4 or so hours I've indulged in a hard bop happy hour while watching restless Atlanta grind on toward an unspectacular overcast evening. We're all fatigued senseless; but in 8 days, at least, timely results from Florida, North Carolina & Arizona (& maybe Pennsylvania) will bring the beginning of the end of this MAGA dumpster-fire shitshow on election night. — 180 Proof

I visited downtown Atlanta a few days ago to eat lunch with my son at Tech, and traveling from my humble abode outside the perimeter, it's as if I left the country I lived in and entered another. And to be clear, I've lived here since I was born and have worked downtown and roamed there too many times to count. Maybe it's changed for the worse or maybe I've forgotten, but it was disgraceful, with the garbage literally overflowing unemptied garbage cans onto the street and abundant loitering. The bright yellow Ferrari parked on the street didn't make much sense, or maybe it did.

That is the dumpster fire shit-show and it needs to be addressed. Trump isn't the one to do it. The best he can do is scare me that it's coming my way and protect my right to defend myself against it, all the while further marginalizing those I'm being protected from. And let's not pretend Biden will do any better.

I don't hate Biden. I dislike people who think Biden has anything good to bring to the world or the USA specifically. The US system is so incredibly bonkers, with basically legal corruption embedded in its political system, that any status quo candidate is just going to make things worse for most people.

Quite frankly nobody should be giving two shits about Biden's personality just as Trump's personality is totally besides the point. The real politik right wingers understand this perfectly. Mitch played you all, among others, while Trump takes the heat because he's dumbass. Welcome to a Conservative justice system with babies like Amy Coney Barrett playing at being a supreme court judge. I hope she chokes on her imposter syndrome.

Agreed. Joe won't make things better. I'm confident, though, the Biden administration won't deliberately make thibgs worse or work against them (all-too-gradually) improving.

I'm more worried about Biden's foreign policy, because that's the President's day-to-day job and where they have the most power. And there are too many countries out there that the U.S. influences for grassroots movements to touch upon.

Agreed. Joe won't make things better. I'm confident, though, the Biden administration won't deliberately make things worse or work against them (all-too-gradually) improving. — 180 Proof

Well, that gives a short timetable for the protests against the Biden administration to begin. The "Well, at least he isn't Trump" attitude will wear off quite quickly. I think that will happen in the fall of 2021. If we still have the corona virus then as we have now, it's a sure thing.

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I didn't know this about Joe and I think it's pretty funny some of the best ads are being made by Conservatives.

Indeed.

*stir*

What if Joe is basically a decent human being and the influence of how a system works (or actually doesn't) is even bigger than we think?

Biden is a fairly run-of-the-mill hawkish conservative. Not my cup of tea. I'd still rather tea over urine though.

In many ways Joe's 'decency' is a bigger indictment on the system than the buffoonishness of Trump. A system which produces vile human beings who act like it is one thing; a system which produces vile human beings who are perfectly amicable is terrifying in a whole different register.

But it's also reason for hope because systems can be changed.

Yes, Biden, Bush, Obama et al have been produced to believe their image is who they are. Even they think they're decent human beings. There's no lacuna there; it's ideology all the way down. Kim, on the other hand, at least knows he's an evil bastard.

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Calm down.