How is that a slight on you or him? I know you've found his work interesting, I suppose that must be because he isn't labelled an atheist and a nihilist on Wikipedia, otherwise you wouldn't have bothered with his work no? :sI took 'Krishnamurti as homeboy' as a slight on both myself, and him. — Wayfarer
"The Trouble with Being Born" (if you want a more mature work) or "On the Heights of Despair" if you want an introductory work (also happens to be his first work). "Short History of Decay" and "The Fall Into Time" should be next.I haven't, though he seems like someone I'd like. What do you suggest I read first? — Heister Eggcart
You should read Seneca's "On the Brevity of Life" then :P you said you liked Roman philosophy ;)Life's too long in my estimation! — Heister Eggcart
"The Trouble with Being Born" (if you want a more mature work) or "On the Heights of Despair" if you want an introductory work (also happens to be his first work). — Agustino
You should read Seneca's "On the Brevity of Life" then :P you said you liked Roman philosophy — Agustino
Really now.... really...? What if philosophy is precisely the disease that must be cured? (Wittgenstein would agree ;) ) Do you remember the story of Bodhidharma and the Chinese King coming to him, troubled by his mind, and Bodhidharma saying "I have this stick with me, show me your mind and I will quiet it", and the King, afraid - there was this bearded guy with a stick, and he was all alone with him - spent some time, and said "there is no mind, all is quiet"?It simply doesn't interest me, and I don't see the point. Philosophy is supposed to be the cure, not the disease. — Wayfarer
I think you in particular would like him :PAh, I've heard of that first one. I'll look into it (Y) — Heister Eggcart
Why do you think that "love is short"? Have you read, for example, Augustine's Confessions to see how God's love plays a role in guiding his life, and ultimately changing him - always there with him even when he didn't see it?I have. I think that he'd agree with me that love is short and life is long. Seneca's gall is rather inspiring to me. — Heister Eggcart
Hmm but what would you say to folks like Augustine, Aquinas, etc. who found God's love to be sufficient for life not to "suck"? Do you think they're wrong? God's love isn't sufficient?Life wouldn't suck so much ass if love wasn't a rarity. — Heister Eggcart
What if what Cioran, Nietzsche et al. note - that the animals have something that we don't - what if that's true? What if what we're really looking for - paradise - is what we have lost when we ceased being like the animals? We are concerned about meaning (the meaning of death for example) - always seeking something - but the animals seek nothing, they are at peace in the moment - despite their awareness of the transience of life. — Agustino
What if what Cioran, Nietzsche et al. note - that the animals have something that we don't - what if that's true? What if what we're really looking for - paradise - is what we have lost when we ceased being like the animals? — Agustino
Why do you think they ignored those in their life who supported them? For example, what would you have had St. Augustine do, for example, not to ignore those in his life who supported him?Those men did not live entirely solitary lives. One might like to think that they've nothing but "God's love" in their life, yet I'd argue they've merely ignored those in their life that support them. — Heister Eggcart
Okay this may be so, but you haven't outlined a "correct understanding" either. If Samsara and Nirvana are non-dual - not two - how is it possible to talk of transcendence? There is no transcendence - the removal of ignorance isn't transcending anything, but merely understanding reality.I am very familiar with Zen literature, but it is often quoted out of context, as it was greatly popularised by the Beat generation and their successors in the 1950's and 60's. Read that way, seems to fit comfortably with existential or nihilist philosophy, but that is far from the truth of the matter. Zen Buddhism is still Buddhism, and the 'meta-narrative' of Buddhism is transcendence of the realm of samsara. And yes, Mahāyāna Buddhism asserts the 'non-duality of Samsara and Nirvāṇa' but again that is something that must be interpreted carefully. It is still a religion, concerned with transcendence of mundane (worldly) existence, without that dimension the sayings of Bodhidharma and the other Zen patriarchs are just desk-calendar slogans. — Wayfarer
I will look into this.Nietszche, Schopenhauer, and many others interpreted the Buddhist philosophy of śūnyatā to mean 'voidness' or 'nothingness' (indeed there is a whole book on that subject, The Cult of Nothingness: The Philosophers and the Buddha, Roger-Pol Droit), but I think this is also based on a fundamental misconception, or rather, the absence of insight into any higher truth. — Wayfarer
But what if down is really up? If man lost paradise, then down (back where man came from) is exactly where he must be going.They're only aware of 'down'. They're not aware of anything 'up'. That is a deficiency, not a virtue. — Wayfarer
Sure so? This isn't to say that life is long and love is short... So I'm asking you what in particular grounds your belief regarding this.I didn't say that they did, only that priorities can be hard to straighten out. — Heister Eggcart
>:O As far as I know he really only fucked one properly >:)fuck bitches — Heister Eggcart
Sure so? This isn't to say that life is long and love is short... So I'm asking you what in particular grounds your belief regarding this. — Agustino
As far as I know he really only fucked one properly — Agustino
If Samsara and Nirvana are non-dual - not two - how is it possible to talk of transcendence? There is no transcendence - the removal of ignorance isn't transcending anything, but merely understanding reality. — Agustino
There is no transcendence - the removal of ignorance isn't transcending anything, but merely understanding reality. — Agustino
We are concerned about meaning (the meaning of death for example) - always seeking something - but the animals seek nothing, they are at peace in the moment - despite their awareness of the transience of life. — Agustino
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