The US ought to fuck right off from anywhere possible. — StreetlightX
which was a war that the US gave weapons to both sides in — Coben
Though the invasion led to the creation of Isis and this was certainly a threat to the neighbors — Coben
then changed to fighting an evil regime for the people of Iraq and then didn't give a shit about them in the long run. — Coben
the USA will start unjust wars because money is the predominant influence in its politics — Benkei
The Iranian regime is a relatively small group of gangsters holding the Iranian people prisoner. — Hippyhead
the Islamic State was then effectively crushed. — Hippyhead
If anything, I think IP and tech is where Biden is going to make his push against China. He flagged IP in particular in his FP proposals, and he's got every reason to try and maintain the supremacy of US tech. Exactly how I'm not sure. Perhaps banning Chinese tech, especially for public services (like Australia did with Chinese 5G tech). That seems to make more sense than Trump's disastrous trade wars. As for the neocons, they always wanted to wipe Iran off the face of the earth, but I don't yet see how that would fit into Biden's announced policy plans, which looks, once again, to renormalize and renegotiate nuclear treaties with them. I wonder which arena, exactly, they'd be pushing for action for (making South America a US plaything again?). I really don't know. In general Biden's FP strikes me as nostalgic and promissory, rather than concrete. Alot of it seems centred around repair and not vision - like the rest of his domestic 'policies'. — StreetlightX
I'm not sure who you're referring to here — jamalrob
I was looking for some serious analysis from people who know more than me. — jamalrob
I've read that discussion. To me it's a very unattractive, rather deluded and unhinged vision. — jamalrob
aside from all of that, the US has done some good things, but it still doesn't follow that US liberal interventionism is, currently, a wise way forward that will make things better on the whole. — jamalrob
By "liberal interventionism" I'm referring to efforts ostensibly to spread democracy or help suffering populations by means of interference in sovereign states: meddling in elections, imposing sanctions and other economic punishments, sponsoring opposition groups, regime change by direct military force, and so on. — jamalrob
Even if that's true, it doesn't mean they want the US to do it for them. — jamalrob
What led me to this stuff in the first place was my narrow focus on Biden's aggressive attitude to Russia. — jamalrob
Erm, isn't that all politics- anywhere? Lol. It's not funny it's really rather tragic but yeah. — Outlander
The animosity to Russia makes very little strategic sense for me otherwise. — StreetlightX
My guess is what Biden would want is getting Iran to abide to the JCPAO again with the offer to sign up again to it from the US side. I'm not sure to what extent it is feasible though after 1+ year of Iran enriching uranium above agreed limits. — Benkei
Please stop talking to me — StreetlightX
I honestly think the focus on Russia has largely been played for the domestic audience: It's Russia which 'explains Trump', and not the fact that the democratic party is a hollow waste of space that no one cares for if it wasn't for the even larger unmitigated disaster that is Trump. Also Trump is friendly to Big Bad Russian Tyrant, and Democrats are not, so please vote for us. That's not the whole story of course - Russian support for Iran no doubt plays into it, especially if the neocons are trying to weasel their way into democratic FP decision making. The animosity to Russia makes very little strategic sense for me otherwise. Any clues? — StreetlightX
From my point of view, this seems like it will only strengthen Biden's liberal imperialist agenda. Am I wrong? Was the neoconservative flavour of Biden's rhetoric just a reflection of his need to oppose everything Trump was seen to stand for, in this case realism and isolationism in international relations? Or will we really see the US aggressively attempting to reassert its role as world policeman? Is that even a bad thing? — jamalrob
Not really no. — Benkei
but partly because he has delusions that the Russian people want American help. — jamalrob
in which case he might be seeking to continue and intensify the cold war against Russia. — jamalrob
The US caused a Russian pipeline to blow up in retaliation for some attempt at infiltration. — frank
I'm pretty sure nobody in the US government cares about real Russians and their political challenges. — frank
I just realized I may have to clarify something for suspicious readers: my criticism of liberal imperialism here is not in any way connected with the criticisms of liberalism that have occasionally been heard from the Russian government and leadership over the past few years, and my opposition to American cold warriors should not be seen as support for authoritarian rule. — jamalrob
We should use language which makes the distinction between the two clear. — Hippyhead
You have a cartoonish view of the Russian state. — jamalrob
It's just another reminder of how bankrupt philosophy really is. — Hippyhead
Is this Alex Jones talk or do you have a link to this? I can say I'm whoever from wherever acting under whatever, and do something to make people turn against one another, doesn't mean it was so. — Outlander
Look at it this way, if they don't, somebody else will. So, it makes sense to be considerate. Such as said scenario would be. When you devalue empathy and compassion toward one, you devalue it for all. — Outlander
Even if that's true, it doesn't mean they want the US to do it for them. — jamalrob
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