It seems not to be individuated. — Banno
That's good. I had in mind something more like the Myth of the Given. — Banno
might not have to assert anything stronger than that pain is a family resemblance - that there is nothing that all talk of "pain" has in common. Then there need be no property or set of properties that is common to all talk of 'pain'. — Banno
Not interested.
— creativesoul
Ok. I take it you didn't really have a point to make there. — frank
might not have to assert anything stronger than that pain is a family resemblance - that there is nothing that all talk of "pain" has in common. Then there need be no property or set of properties that is common to all talk of 'pain'. — Banno
Is there something that all talk of this color has in common? I think so. — frank
But, can you set out what that "something" is? — Banno
Or is it that we expect genus-differentia definitions even were they cannot be found? — Banno
So, if you think so, then tell us what it is. My suspicion is that for any genus-differentia definition you offer we will be able to posit a counter-instance; or make one up. — Banno
We tend to assume that there is something common to all red things - the supposed thing that makes them all "red"; but as Austin pointed out, why should this be so? why shouldn't we have a word that we just use to talk about a bunch of different things? That all they have in common is that we call them 'red'. — Banno
It's not as if we could not make a sample of cadmium red deep hue appear a slightly different shade or hue by, perhaps, shining a light of a different colour on it, or accelerating it away from us at some decent velocity. But we are back to talking about colour, which I was at pains to remove from the discussion because of its status as a secondary quality. — Banno
the language itself is no longer connected to anything aside from itself and it's user. — creativesoul
The question remains: do you think there is a phenomenal aspect to my detecting abilities? — frank
Mice were shown a screen with a faint grey line appearing and moving across it, they pressed a lever to receive a reward when they saw the grey line. Certain synapses could be seen firing when they saw the line. The line could be made fainter. Eventually synapses were seen to be firing in synchrony with the appearance of the line when the mice no longer pushed the lever. The line was being detected by the brain, but without any phenomenal aspect. — Daemon
All that pains have in common is that we use the same word for them. — Banno
"How do you teach someone what pain is" assumes that there is some thing that is had in common by a scratch, a broken arm, a bowl perforation, a broken heart, a betrayal; and of course this is wrong. — Banno
do you think there is a phenomenal aspect to my detecting abilities?
— frank
Yeah, I've shown, at least to my own contentment, this question has no sense nor reference. — Banno
So there was a phenomenal aspect and then there wasn't? — frank
So what is the camera?
— creativesoul
Your eye is the camera and it is projecting footage on the screen which you watch. This “footage” is Qualia. — khaled
Pain is interesting. Per Hilton's law (@Isaac is it Hilton's?), any nervous pathway that is used extensively, will become a pain superhighway, so pain from any source in the area will use the same pathway and present the same feeling to the subject.
How do we explain this without resorting to talk of phenomenal consciousness? — frank
Learning what pain is consists in no more than being able to use the word suitably. — Banno
"How do you teach someone what pain is" assumes that there is some thing that is had in common by a scratch, a broken arm, a bowl perforation, a broken heart, a betrayal; and of course this is wrong.
All that red things have in common is that we use the same word for them.
All that pains have in common is that we use the same word for them. — Banno
Rather, it's that "'pain' does not refer". At least, not in the same way that "apple" does. — Banno
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