But we’re not talking about facts.
— Brett
Yes you are.
For all those avowed atheists out there; if God and the beliefs in God’s existence and actions have no validity, no claim to truth, then what truth have you replaced them with?
— Brett
Information that is valid, or truthful is called a fact. — Sir2u
Most theists agree — Brett
But classical Christian theists have also ascribed — Brett
Many classical western theists have also thought — Brett
God is also believed to be — Brett
Finally, classical western theists have thought that God — Brett
For all those avowed atheists out there; if God and the beliefs in God’s existence and actions have no validity, no claim to truth, then what truth have you replaced them with? — Brett
The book takes us on a rapid tour of the intellectual battlefields of Europe over the past 300 years, sites where, according to the received version of history, the brave soldiers of progress and rationality have triumphed time and again over a rabble of reactionary God-botherers.
But these victories, according to Eagleton, were at best equivocal, and in due course they would be reversed by the cunning of history.
First there were the fabled philosophers of the Enlightenment, leading the charge against priestly infamy and angels-on-a-pin theology; but none of them could envisage a world without God, even if they preferred to worship him in the guise of reason or science. Any damage they may have done to religion was repaired by the German Idealists with their woolly notion of spirit, and by their followers the Romantics, who reinvented God as either nature or culture.
You might think that Marx made a better job of deicide, but on close examination the communist hypothesis turns out to have been a surrogate for the heavenly city. And poor old Nietzsche, for all his bluster and derring-do, ended up resurrecting Christ in the form of the Übermensch. The 20th-century modernists fell into the same trap, vainly appealing to art to plug "the gap where God has once been", and if a few freaky postmodernists have managed to break away from religion in recent years, it was at the price of a complete denial of hope and meaning, which no one else is willing to pay.
"The Almighty," Eagleton concludes, "has proved remarkably difficult to dispose of." Rumours of his death have been greatly exaggerated: he has now put himself "back on the agenda", and "the irony is hard to overstate". — The Guardian, Review of Terry Eagleton, Culture and the Death of God
Data? What is proper data? — Brett
That’s not what I said. Reread my first post. — Brett
For all those avowed atheists out there; if God and the beliefs in God’s existence and actions have no validity, no claim to truth, then what truth have you replaced them with? — Brett
True, but it doesn’t make you an atheist. — Brett
Now, you have supposed me an atheist. I asked on what basis. — tim wood
I asked you what god is, so that we could proceed. And you answer what some people believe and suppose. — tim wood
And apparently - I'm guessing - you wish to make some point about truth. But I am pretty sure you have no idea what truth is. — tim wood
Data? What is proper data?
— Brett
Maybe some definitions would help. As Tim said, what exactly is a god. What is a truth as you use the word here. — Sir2u
That’s not what I said. Reread my first post.
— Brett
OK, here it is.
For all those avowed atheists out there; if God and the beliefs in God’s existence and actions have no validity, no claim to truth, then what truth have you replaced them with?
— Brett
I did read it again and it says just what I stated. The truths about god have to be replaced by something. The problem is you have not specified those truths yet either. — Sir2u
God is a concept and a word, and a poorly defined one at that. — Xtrix
You happened to be raised in a tradition that takes that word seriously. It grows out of the same human mind that creates all kinds of rules for behavior. — Xtrix
This is merely your opinion of something you don’t believe exists. — Brett
God is a concept and a word, and a poorly defined one at that.
— Xtrix — Brett
You happened to be raised in a tradition that takes that word seriously. It grows out of the same human mind that creates all kinds of rules for behavior. — Xtrix
God is truth or real. — Brett
How do we classify this statement? — Brett
God is a concept and a word, and a poorly defined one at that. — Xtrix
As I said, not to believers. — Brett
That’s your opinion, or truth. It doesn’t really matter which one it is, because you dismiss the reality of God’s existence. — Brett
That’s your opinion, or truth. It doesn’t really matter which one it is, because you dismiss the reality of God’s existence. — Brett
That’s your opinion, or truth.
— Brett
...and there it is; opinion instead of truth. — Banno
Isn’t it true though that the statement by Xtrix is either true or an opinion? — Brett
So are you saying that whatever a believer might think it remains this? — Brett
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