I can't see anything about this - Link? In what way were they anti - do they want to ban them or what?
Marxist-trained - they went to University? If you never encountered Marx, you're not educated; but what did they do, go to a reeducation camp or something?
And what aspects of their agenda have the Democrats adopted, that are objectionable? — Banno
Shit, I hate it when folk refuse to back up their claims. — Banno
According to their website (which was changed after getting some bad press), they were anti-nuclear family, a position that might be called a bit extreme. The three founders were Marxist-trained (whatever that means), another position that would be considered extreme in the U.S. Passively advocating violence, etc. — synthesis
My original question was about why you believe the left has chosen to go to the extreme when the results of such is never good (right or left). What works is the center, a compromise including progressive and conservative ideas. Do you disagree? — synthesis
So, yes, I'm all for stopping the game playing. Tell me specifically what it is that BLM want, that has been accepted by the Democrats, that is unacceptable to you? — Banno
As far as I can tell, they wanted to get Trump out of office. — synthesis
...they seem to be concerned about the 10-15 unarmed black men killed each year — synthesis
To what are you referring? What backlash? Folk voting for Trump? Folk invading the Capitol?...backlash... — synthesis
Riots? Yeah, not nice. But it gets attention....terrorizing individuals and businesses... — synthesis
Hmm. Here we start to differ more directly. It seems to me beyond doubt that there is endemic racism in the US. Here, Too. I also think it needs to be called out. Is it systematic? Something systematic is wrong, given the disproportionate number of blacks in incarceration.systemic racism narrative... — synthesis
Calling an entire race of people racist in the most un-racist country in the world seems a bit extreme, no? — synthesis
...they seem to be concerned about the 10-15 unarmed black men killed each year
— synthesis
Not unreasonable, given the difference between deaths of unarmed black and white men at the hands of police... again, we might agree that this is not extreme. — Banno
...backlash...
— synthesis
To what are you referring? What backlash? Folk voting for Trump? Folk invading the Capitol?
...terrorizing individuals and businesses...
— synthesis
Riots? Yeah, not nice. But it gets attention. — Banno
systemic racism narrative...
— synthesis
Hmm. Here we start to differ more directly. It seems to me beyond doubt that there is endemic racism in the US. Here, Too. I also think it needs to be called out. Is it systematic? Something systematic is wrong, given the disproportionate number of blacks in incarceration. — Banno
Calling an entire race of people racist in the most un-racist country in the world seems a bit extreme, no?
— synthesis
Sure. Who did that, then? Citation? — Banno
This is what the systemic racism narrative is, no? I cannot provide you with specific references — synthesis
What's extreme is they don't seem to care about the massive black-on-black carnage that's going on in several U.S. cities. — synthesis
Not nice? Do you have any idea what went down here last summer? How about if it was your father that was murdered, or your house or business that was burned-down? — synthesis
There is endemic everything everywhere. We are human beings and we all do lots of stupid stuff but (on the whole) things have improved drastically over the past decades. — synthesis
There is enough blame to go around but you do NOT blame an entire race of people for something that happened 99% in the past....
This is what the systemic racism narrative is, no? I cannot provide you with specific references but I've seen it time and time again in blogs, on TV, in the news, EVERYWHERE. — synthesis
I understand that recognising one's privilege is difficult. You and I benefited from racism, even if we did not participate. Again, who has blamed which innocent people? Something concrete on which we can continue the conversation....but you cannot blame innocent people and tell them they are racist. . — synthesis
That will not end well and this is why I asked you why such an extreme posture was embraced by the left. Does the left really believe they can upend the entire world order overnight? — synthesis
As far as I can tell, in the U.S., money is still green so that's really the only color that means shit here. — synthesis
I understand that recognising one's privilege is difficult. You and I benefited from racism, even if we did not participate. Again, who has blamed which innocent people? Something concrete on which we can continue the conversation. — Banno
...you cannot makes things better by making them worse... — synthesis
and my asking you to explain what you saw as extreme. Did you succeed? The accusations that BLM are anti-family and marxist trained - unsupported and unverified, and not extreme even if they were. Voting Trump out - not extreme; utterly reasonable. This:It seems as if the "left" has taken the extremist path — synthesis
Sure, we muddle along, trying to fix stuff up. That's what BLM are doing. But who is blaming an entier race?There is endemic everything everywhere. We are human beings and we all do lots of stupid stuff but (on the whole) things have improved drastically over the past decades. There is enough blame to go around but you do NOT blame an entire race of people for something that happened 99% in the past. — synthesis
Maybe we should make all tall people shorter, good looking people plainer, smart people dumber, so on and so forth? Yes, certain people have advantages.
The bottom-line...you cannot makes things better by making them worse. People are not equal and never will be. That does not mean you can not make things fairer and they are getting better. — synthesis
This entire racist thing was a political scam like it always is. — synthesis
Otherwise, they seem to be concerned about the 10-15 unarmed black men killed each year by white law enforcement officers and that's about it. — synthesis
But you don't believe you are equal to the Nazis, or that the Nazis are equal to you, do you? Exactly.The whole point Hitler was making was about wanting to destroy inferior people. This captures the whole problem underlying prejudiced hatred, which is the belief that one is superior to others. — Jack Cummins
He isn't condoning anything by saying George Floyd resisted arrest, anyone can see that he did. — Judaka
Science can be as political as every other institution, e.g., the story of BIG tobacco. — synthesis
Hmm, true, I misrepresented you there, my bad. Doesn't change my main* point though. — Judaka
But then this points right back at you. How do you respond to that?Of course I don't condone what the Nazi's did. But I would say that it is still problematic when people do try to see themselves as better, including morally better, than others. — Jack Cummins
But factually wrong. — Banno
A lot of right-wing speakers who aren't racist, fascist or alt-right disagree with the issues around systemic racism, George Floyd, political correctness and even on Trump. — Judaka
The fact is, you don't know what the cause of death was, — counterpunch
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