Saying god cannot do what is logically impossible is not putting a restriction on his omnipotence. — Banno
If it is restricting anything, it is restricting language. — Banno
This comes back to your "Can we dispense with necessity?" thread. You showed there that you have not read much about modal logic. You are just a bit confused. — Banno
It's good to see you thinking about this stuff; it would be good to also see you learning a bit about it. — Banno
↪Athena It seems we agree - I don't know by how much. But I view science as valid knowledge of reality/Creation. I don't know if God exists - but if he does, understanding the Creation in which we are placed, and acting according to true knowledge of Creation is surely the path to God, for reality is, in effect - God's word made manifest. And worse case scenario - we'd make the world into a paradise and secure a prosperous sustainable future! — counterpunch
↪Athena I prefer the words reality and science. Any implication to God is pure speculation. But if reality is Created, it follows that science is the word of God. Or logos! — counterpunch
Well, you can make up your own religion; or, if you're going to discuss religion, work with the claims that a particular religion actually makes. — baker
"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." (Genesis 1:1)
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” ( John 1:1 )
The implication of these two passages together, seems to be that the Word, the Creator and the Creation are inseparable - and consequently, it would have been open to the Church to accept Galileo's "hypo-deductive methodology" (scientific method) as the means to discern the word of God made manifest in Creation.
Had they done so, a scientific understanding of reality would have been pursued, and had the moral authority of God's word. Technology would have been applied in accord with a scientifically valid understanding of reality, and we would have made a paradise of the world.
Instead, science was decried as a heresy, even while technology was used to drive the industrial revolution. So science and technology was applied for military and industrial power and profit - with no regard to a scientific understanding of reality. We applied the wrong technologies for the wrong reasons, and are now barrelling toward extinction. — counterpunch
By 'God' I mean a person who is all-powerful (omnipotent), all-knowing (omniscient) and all-good (omnibenevolent). I take it that possession of those properties is sufficient to make one God. I do not want to debate this, it is just to tell you what I mean by 'God'. — Bartricks
Technology would have been applied in accord with a scientifically valid understanding of reality, and we would have made a paradise of the world. — counterpunch
I wondered how long it would be before the bibleos came along and started discussing the God of the bible rather than thinking for themselves. This thread is about whether an all powerful being can do anything - which is a philosophical question that can't be settled by appeal to the bible or anything else. — Bartricks
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