I don't think there are any necessary truths or any necessary existents (I believe this for two reasons, a) I believe God exists and that if God exists there are no necessary existents because God, being all powerful, can destroy everything if he so wishes and b) I can't fathom what 'necessity' actually is). — Bartricks
You're just going to have to deny that there are imperatives of Reason — Bartricks
But given you are convinced that I, who have argued all the way through — Bartricks
You're going to have to deny that normative reasons exist. — Bartricks
you think there's reason to believe it is true - in which case norms of reason exist — Bartricks
well, my argument proves that to be false, for if you were the source of the imperatives of Reason, then you'd be omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenevolent, which you're clearly not. — Bartricks
Therefore, there is a mind whose laws are the laws of Reason — Bartricks
So the upshot is, no reasonable person could disagree with you, or, put another way, anyone who disagrees is being unreasonable. — Wayfarer
But then, according to you, God can arbitrarily designate what is reasonable and what is not. — Wayfarer
A proposition can only be true according to God’s will. Yet somehow this can be discerned through reason. — Wayfarer
Why can't it be our minds "...whose laws are the laws of Reason"? Why does it have to be God's mind? — TheMadFool
5) Perfection = that which no greater than can be conceived of. There is nothing better than a perfect existence. If existence is imperfect, then perfection (a perfect existence) is hypothetically impossible. — Philosopher19
Existence is perfect is the same as saying God exists. This is because a perfect existence logically entails that everyone gets what they truly deserve (it would be imperfect otherwise). — Philosopher19
Because the mind whose imperatives are imperatives of Reason will be omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenevolent — Bartricks
We can do this? How? — Banno
well, I show why reason entails God in the OP- the OP that no one can now find due to the merging. — Bartricks
1. If there are imperatives of Reason, there is a mind who is issuing them. — Bartricks
I still don’t see what makes things like the law of non contradiction an imperative. You two seem to, if not agree, at least understand what that means. I don’t. So could you help me understand? — khaled
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