I fail to see why any explanation of this choice would be a police matter — unenlightened
Dead men don't post. — unenlightened
This goes to show that you are locked into a worldview and assert that everyone behaves the way your, rather dark and close minded, worldview dictates. Countless of people here are giving their reasons for why they keep on living but you seem unable to accept that other people do find meaning in life even if there is no ultimate purpose or afterlife. You musn't simply charge them with wishful thinking.
I for one believe that "being" is the most precious thing I have. To paraphrase the bible: What is a man without his soul? What am I if I cannot even be?? I wouldnt be able to laugh, cry. I wouldn't be able to participate in the drama that is called life. Even when I am going through terrible things, which I have, I can console myself with the fact that it will not kill me. And better times are coming. — DoppyTheElv
One lives either because they have to (logical), or they want to (emotional). Most people live for a mix of these things with overlap between necessity and desire on multiple levels. But you could simply remove both need and desire and say “I live because it is happening to me. i exist because I exist. I have no control ultimately” - a predeterministic view — Benj96
This is illogical. It doesn't follow from the nature of logic that the object of a decision needs to be logical. If you enjoy something and you're at liberty to do it, it is perfectly logical to do it. You seem to have difficulty differentiating between objects and reasoning about them. Both the above points concern the same error.
Irrespective, ceasing to do something you enjoy for no reason is illogical. — Kenosha Kid
If it can’t determine if a premise is true then what is it good for? — Darkneos
It derives conclusions from something it can’t prove, that sounds like absurdity to me. — Darkneos
We've taken a turn for the noir! Suicidal men (and dames) might post. I'm not genuinely worried about this btw. — Kenosha Kid
If logic can derive premises then what is it good for? If it can’t determine if a premise is true then what is it good for? — Darkneos
No, it is not absurdity. Logic applies to thought and language. But our relation to the world is one of sensation and emotion. One senses that shit smells, one has a feeling about the smell of liking or disliking, and logic tells one that if one dislikes the smell of shit one ought to build a flushing toilet. — unenlightened
You clearly didn’t read the part where I said that stuff dies too. My mother doesn’t remember the dreams of her grandparents and my grandmother with dementia doesn’t remember her family’s either. As I said everything ends and you can’t seem to accept that. Your ego dies to because eventually people will forget. Think of all the people who have lived and only a handful are written of in books while the rest are lost to time. Even the current ones will only last as long as we do or as long as we remember them. But everything dies, nothing lives on. We are not immortal. The only ignorant one is you who can’t see the reasons so far aren’t good ones for living and are rooted in fallacies. I mean you have hope which is by itself illogical and privileged. Open your eyes. — Darkneos
would argue Monty Python is pointless because it’s absurd. Even Sisyphus rolling a boulder is pointless not to mention absurd. Most instances that can be called absurd are also pointless. — Darkneos
logic tries to do that with ethics when it comes to ought and ought not. — Darkneos
But ceasing to do something you enjoy for no reason is not illogical. That is just your personal opinion and just because you can’t understand it doesn’t make it illogical. — Darkneos
And I have yet to see why the "reasons for living" that have been offered are "rooted in fallacies" and I am even more puzzled why hope is "illogical and privileged." And as I said, I believe its a mistake to think people purely operate on logic in life. Humans are emotional beings and thus it wouldnt surprise me that someones reason for life might be love or fun,... Who are you to say that this is an incorrect reason to want to live? What would a correct reason look like? — DoppyTheElv
Okay I'm sensing you're a bit of a brick wall. You have no ability to lend insight, and no ability to learn.
Here's a question, though: why do you keep going? I mean... this isn't worthwhile, it's dumb and pointless, but you keep doing it. Why? — Kenosha Kid
Things like logic, reasons, absurdity, purpose... these are all human attitudes toward the world we find ourselves in. We have them as a result of living. To ask if there's a purpose to living is to ask if there's a step in a flight of stairs, purpose doesn't mean anything outside of the context of a living thing. — Isaac
I'm trying to lend insight but people insist there is reason for living. — Darkneos
There is no have to for living. You don’t “have to” do anything. I would consider living illogical to a point because you will eventually die and after a certain peak your body breaks down till the point where you wish you were dead in old age. Survival instinct is not logical, there is no logic to going on living. You don’t live because it is happening to you rather it is something you do. If you stopped you would die. We’re it something that just happened to you there wouldn’t be a need to do anything to maintain it. Death happens, living not so much. — Darkneos
Then you have a reason for living right now, which is to lend insight, even though you can't really succeed at that as you're confused. — Kenosha Kid
Correction. I didn’t do/ perform my own conception and birth and infantile years - they happen to us not through anything we can consider our choice or consent. What you do when you have capacity to consider death or be able to self inflict it is then your choice... something you can actively do. (Though I wouldn’t recommend it personally). So it’s not as cut and dry as living is something we do actively it is also passively passed onto us when we are created by our parents. — Benj96
Incorrect. Unable to take my own life (because survival instincts are very strong) this is the alternative. If I had the strength to I would not be here right now. This is not a reason for living. — Darkneos
It’s not though. Living is something you do. If you did nothing you would eventually die. — Darkneos
There is also no justification for living either. — Darkneos
I know that but as I said, survival instincts are hard to overcome. So, unable to do it I do this. — Darkneos
You actually don’t have more choices than the dead nor are you freer than the dead. The dead carry no burdens and in a sense are ultimately free. The burdens of choice are removed. You haven’t listed a justification for going on. You are not powerful nor entirely in control, that’s a lie you’re telling yourself. You may have options but that’s not a good thing it’s more of a burden. Again death is just the better option in the end because you don’t have to live ergo choices don’t really matter when you can forgo all of that. — Darkneos
It is near-universal that people want to live. I do not think people want to live due to "the good things", it's just normal, healthy psychology to want to live. People no more "choose" than they "choose" to be attracted to the gender they're attracted to. It's just one of those things that nature takes care of, we don't need to make a choice.
Even if I gave you all my reasons for wanting to live and you shot them all down, proving they were all poor - I'd still want to live, even if I decided I didn't want to live - I'd still want to live. Just like I can't decide who I'm attracted to.
I really don't think it's anything more than that. — Judaka
I know that but as I said, survival instincts are hard to overcome. So, unable to do it I do this. — Darkneos
If logic can’t derive premises then what is it good for? If it can’t determine if a premise is true then what is it good for? — Darkneos
You actually don’t have more choices than the dead nor are you freer than the dead. — Darkneos
You can overcome that instinct and let death take you, plenty have done it. — Darkneos
Exactly there is no logical reason to and yet I do failing to be able to off myself. — Darkneos
I would argue that our ancestors didn't really have logic or reason as much as we do or even purpose. But those are not a result of living. — Darkneos
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