Normal and healthy psychology has changed with the seasons. Nature doesn't really take care of it, we do. Nature also causes death as well so your points are moot. You can't decide who you're attracted to but you can decide to live or not. You're proving there isn't a good reason to live. If you were to die you'd be done with this whole dance. People talk about the struggle as if it's noble but why? That just sounds like death anxiety trying to rationalize sticking around. — Darkneos
I want to know WHY people choose to go on — Darkneos
You logically justify your depression like others logically justify their happiness, truthfully, neither of you are correct. It's just that you can't possibly account for the hormones and genetics which govern how you think and feel. Humans aren't just the sum of their choices, there's an underlying biological reality which affects how we think and interpret. I'm not afraid to die, I see death through the lens of the dead, no fear, no regrets, no anything. If one does choose to die, that's their choice but their thinking was likely a result of some underlying problems, that person was likely in need of help. I'm not going to treat it like a logical choice made by a clear-thinking person unless there are special circumstances. — Judaka
From what I've seen in online forums, much of the time when people ask the latter, they mean the former.Once again, the question was not "How should I live my life?" but "Why do YOU choose to go on." — Kenosha Kid
Obviously, a person can only understand things that are already within their scope of understanding.I think he wants people to give him the answer he already knows he wants.
It's not illogical if one wishes to train oneself to come to terms with the fact that not everything in life has closure:That is incorrect. Enjoyment of the film may be emotional or intellectual, but the decision to stop watching half an hour before the end is illogical, and the decision to watch to the end logical (other factors aside... if the cinema is on fire, leave). — Kenosha Kid
So don't bother trying to answer the question "why live?" It can't be answered, because the question is meaningless. Instead just try to get into the state of mind where you see how the question is meaningless, and where there instead seems to be the (equally meaningless, but much easier to ignore and move past) question "why not live?" — Pfhorrest
You contradict yourself. If the living is not ultimately any freer and have no true choice beyond what you would have if dead then by that logic you have no choice in whether to live or die. But then you say you can overcome instinct and allow death t take you. This sounds like a conscious choice to me. Suicide is active (the self attempts it, beckons on their own death) Dying is passive (caused by your environment/ natural failing of the organism). — Benj96
The same necessarily follows for every non-urgent thing you do. The logical conclusion is that you're a deeply illogical person living a deeply illogical life, which goes some way to explain your deeply illogical comments about what is and isn't logical. — Kenosha Kid
Obviously, a person can only understand things that are already within their scope of understanding.
Everyone is like that. — baker
Happiness from what I can tell has no logical justification. People believe that just because something feels good they should keep doing it even though that is not really logical. — Darkneos
But society is scared to accommodate them because we have this paranoia about death and encouraging people to live when they clearly don't wish to. — Darkneos
I hear that the good things in life make people stay but aren't those just to make life bearable? — Darkneos
Humans aren't driven by logic, they're driven by emotion and logic usually just accommodates how people feel. I don't think suicide is illogical, I think it's motivated by negative emotions which cloud judgement. — Judaka
assuming that wanting to die is some sickness. — Darkneos
Isn’t that something that’s unpleasant to feel? Is not an unpleasant condition the very definition of a sickness?
Consider also: if you want to live, then whenever you’re alive, you’ve at least got something good going for you, and so something worth living for. So “wanting to live” is in itself something to live for. — Pfhorrest
Those are only a small handful of people and that is more cases of extreme denial or hope. Those stuck in their lives don't have that.You know that people can lack material wealth, friends, love etc and still enjoy life — Judaka
How on earth is happiness illogical? Happiness feels good -> Going out walking with friends and messing around makes me happy. -> It doesn't harm me. -> Since happiness improves my overall well being and has beneficial effects there is no reason to not do what makes me happy as long as the good outweighs the bad. This is a deeply personal thing because different things make different people happy, and they're not all healthy. But I sincerely fail to see how the above form of happiness is not logically justified. How?? — DoppyTheElv
Humans aren't driven by logic, they're driven by emotion and logic usually just accommodates how people feel. I don't think suicide is illogical, I think it's motivated by negative emotions which cloud judgement. — Judaka
Being alive doesn't exactly mean you have something good going for you. — Darkneos
Because it does not follow. Your chain of reasoning does not compute. You need to stop at "happiness feels good", that's all logic can tell you. None of that is logically justified. Just because something feels good doesn't mean you do it. Come on I already shut this part down. — Darkneos
You may as well ask for a justification to eat ice cream, or any other pleasant thing. If you don’t like ice cream, then it makes sense to ask “Why should I eat this? What do I get out of it?” But if you do like ice cream, you just want to eat it, and you may be willing to go through some hardships to get it, but you don’t need any further justification for eating it: it’s an end in itself. — Pfhorrest
You just seem to think that emotions factor into what logically one should do. — Darkneos
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