They made a deal to move to closing arguments without calling witnesses. Trump’s team threatened to call Pelosi, Harris, and more. — NOS4A2
Well, now we know. We know how the Republican Party wants to go down in history. They’ve made it as clear as could be.
First, two-thirds of the members of the Republican caucus of the House of Representatives voted on Jan. 6 to refuse to affirm the results of the presidential election. They continued doing so, we know, after the riot, after Capitol Hill Police Officer Brian Sicknick lay dead, after a mob had defaced the Capitol building. Denying Joe Biden the presidency was, of course, the mission of the mob. So two-thirds of House Republicans voted to condone the mob. And now, we’ve seen that 86 percent of Republican senators have voted to deny what’s in front of their noses and insist that Donald Trump bears no blame they can provide for the riot he incited.
In sum, congressional Republicans have put themselves on record saying that they are, in effect, untroubled by the worst assault on our democracy since the Civil War. The rioters were justified, said the two-thirds of House Republicans who agreed that Biden wasn’t really elected. And Senate Republicans said that the president who urged them to march on the Capitol and fight like hell or you won’t have a country anymore and then sat back and watched and did nothing to stop it (and to this day has never denounced it) bore no responsibility for the assault, or at least none that they could mete out. Those 43 Republicans just spit in the face of American democracy.
Both before and during the Senate trial, Trump’s defenders asserted that there’s no clear causal link between his malfeasance and that police officer’s screams. But the House Democrats effectively destroyed that argument by documenting not only Trump’s words in the days, hours and minutes before the mob attacked but also his long, painstaking campaign to erode trust in democratic processes, so that if those processes didn’t favor him, his supporters were primed to junk them. He’s a study in slow-motion treason. Jan. 6 was simply when he slammed his foot down on the accelerator.
It was also, in retrospect, the climax that his presidency was always building toward, the inevitable fruit of his meticulous indoctrination of his base, his methodical degradation of American institutions, his romancing of right-wing media and his recruitment of the most ambitious and unscrupulous Republican lawmakers. At his behest, Josh Hawley, Ted Cruz and several other Republican senators promoted the lethal falsehood that the election was fraudulent, yet that didn’t disqualify them from sitting as jurors to render a foregone verdict on a man whose delusions they had already endorsed. What a system. What a farce.
That's not true at all. All of Trump's actions following the election, especially his incessant claims that the election was "stolen", ought to be considered as evidence. The event of January 6th was planned long in advance, so it is not just a matter of looking at what happened on that particular date.
If the election wasn't really stolen from him, then the inciting of his followers to protest, is a matter of fraudulent behaviour. And wherever there is fraud there is the intent of wrongful gain. Therefore we need to ask what did Trump intend to gain by inciting his followers to protest at that particular place, on that particular date. — Metaphysician Undercover
If you think that Biden, who came in last place in the 2012 primary, got more votes than Hillary and Obama in the 2020 general election, then you're fooling yourself. — Harry Hindu
I didn't say that. How do you reconcile what I actually said with what you just said?You're fooling yourself if you think that there were 15,353,129+ illegitimate votes. — Michael
The Dems were incessantly claiming that Trump stole the 2016 election. The Dems DID steal the 2016 Primary from Bernie and did it again in 2020. The Dems failed to call back their violent constituents and even encouraged them and people died and property was destroyed. — Harry Hindu
So please don't try to pass yourself and the Dems off as holier-then-thou because they pull the same shit as the Reps. — Harry Hindu
I didn't say that. How do you reconcile what I actually said with what you just said? — Harry Hindu
So, please tell me why Biden got more votes than Hillary when he came in last place in the primary against her and Obama? — Harry Hindu
Do I have to think independently for you, MU? This was just the tip of the iceburg.This is nonsense Harry. The Dems never contested the results of the 2016 election, nor were there accusations of theft. There was accusations of illegal foreign interference, which were investigated and proven as true accusations. — Metaphysician Undercover
The foreign interference showed that the Dems were rigging elections to ensure their guy was the one that made it to the top. To think that the Dems were the only ones engaged in such activity would be just as blind as one who thinks the Dems possess a monopoly on morality.The Dems did not steal the primary from Bernie. What could that even mean? It's the primary of the Democrats, how could they steal it from themselves? — Metaphysician Undercover
LOL! Yeah right:The Dems never contested the results of the 2016 election, nor were there accusations of theft. — Metaphysician Undercover
See Hillary Clinton Maintains 2016 Election ‘Was Not On the Level’: ‘We Still Don’t Know What Really Happened’Hillary Clinton is sticking with her conviction that the 2016 presidential election was not conducted legitimately, saying the details surrounding her loss are still unclear.
“There was a widespread understanding that this election [in 2016] was not on the level,” Clinton said during an interview for the latest episode of The Atlantic’s politics podcast, The Ticket. “We still don’t know what really happened.”
“There’s just a lot that I think will be revealed. History will discover,” the Democratic Party’s 2016 presidential nominee continued. “But you don’t win by 3 million votes and have all this other shenanigans and stuff going on and not come away with an idea like, ‘Whoa, something’s not right here.’ That was a deep sense of unease.”
So it was more for a hate for Trump than a like for Biden. That is no wonder considering the assault on the man's character throughout his tenure. Just imagine if you or I became president looking to change the way things are done in DC. Those in power are going to hit back hard if you try to put a halt to their gravy train. The system is rigged against an outsider trying to come in and change things.Because Biden was competing against Trump, not Hillary or Obama. Democratic voters prefer Obama to Hillary, Hillary to Biden, and Biden to Trump. It's not rocket science. — Michael
If nation states should have a logic to them.It seems that the only way to live up to the American ideals of freedom and responsibility would be to abolish the United States of America altogether. — baker
And oh, she gave that interview LAST YEAR, btw. — ssu
Do you see the similarity?However, no one formally contested the results of the 2016 election. That's the difference. - Do you see the difference? — Metaphysician Undercover
The strength of the US is that the US means so many different things to different people.
— ssu
The perfect Humpty Dumpty land, then! — baker
Because Biden was competing against Trump, not Hillary or Obama. Democratic voters prefer Obama to Hillary, Hillary to Biden, and Biden to Trump. It's not rocket science. — Michael
Using this logic, Hillary should have beat Trump. — Harry Hindu
Democratic voters prefer Obama to Hillary, Hillary to Biden, and Biden to Trump. It's not rocket science. — Michael
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