the idea that "absolute presuppositions are basically beliefs that function in a certain way," is as close to being dead wrong while still breathing as you can get — tim wood
Ah, no. R.G. Collingwood's (RGC) ideas on metaphysics are simple and powerful. It is a shame to misunderstand them and get them wrong. At the same time they also have that quality of newness that makes any idea first encountered seem a little strange until got used to. And it is a challenge to capture them in short summary. — tim wood
Confusing - conflating - belief and presupposition in RGC's thinking simply a mistake. — tim wood
And just for good measure, here is from the Stanford Encyclopedia — Pantagruel
f you cannot nor will not get it into your head that beliefs and presuppositions are not the same thing at all, then you don't get it. — tim wood
very unambiguous example in the Essay on Metaphysics. — Pantagruel
So I guess you want to explain that we can only have the belief hypothesis when some methods and objectives are actually true. — javi2541997
What about people who hold irrational beliefs - say paranoid psychotic delusions - that couldn't possibly derive from some type of memory process (because such belief content lies outside of previous experience)? — emancipate
Metaphysical thinking is scientific and vice-versa; both are based upon and in search of absolute presuppositions. And an absolute presupposition is one which is actually believed as such. — Pantagruel
R.G. Collingwood's recasting of metaphysics from its Aristotelian origin suggests a kind of metaphysics of belief.
Collingwood describes how all thinking is analytical/experimental. Metaphysical thinking is scientific and vice-versa; both are based upon and in search of absolute presuppositions. And an absolute presupposition is one which is actually believed as such. — Pantagruel
Like any form of memorizing, it requires effort, and effort is only made when there is a reason to make it — Metaphysician Undercover
I think this shows the difference of what tim wood, Collingwood, and I mean when we say absolute presupposition from what you do. It's not a fact. It's not true, but it's not false either. It has no truth value. If you want to call that a belief, ok, but it's misleading. — T Clark
The underlying logic of this metaphysics is that the mind knows the forms immediately through intellecual intuition. — Wayfarer
Yes. We have here the "hope" of wanting our live to improve. Everything needs an effort but previously we do need to have beliefs and then believe in... As you perfectly said previously.
More than a reason I guess is important how to perceive our feith. Sometimes hope and belief are upon the reason itself.
Probably the reason could say to you "do not do it because it is impossible" but the beielfs and feith say to you "let's do it we have another chance" — javi2541997
@Metaphysician UndercoverI've never seen the word "feith" before, and I'll assume that you mean "faith".
I think that faith relates to the effort required to produce belief. — Metaphysician Undercover
My approach is outside the scope of his inquiry, but not contradictory. I would hope, both complementary and complimentary. — Pantagruel
To me, the most important insight of Collingwood's essay is that absolute presuppositions are not facts. They are not true or false. They are useful or not useful in the particular situation in which we find ourselves. — T Clark
If I believe I am writing this now, how is that a memory? It may become a memory, but only because it was first a belief. — Pantagruel
What I got out of the essay, whether or not Collingwood actually meant it that way, is that people are likely not to be aware of the suppositions underpinning their beliefs. That lack of awareness leads to misunderstanding and disagreement that are almost insurmountable. — T Clark
The underlying logic of this metaphysics is that the mind knows the forms immediately through intellecual intuition. — Wayfarer
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